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Martin Jones
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From: Thetford , Norfolk,England
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 - posted September 17, 2011 06:19 AM      Profile for Martin Jones     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I've put this on General Yak, as it is not related to any specific gauge of film.
I have 2 Spools of Recording Tape made to be used on a Craven Syncrodek. They are made by Ampex, are Unused and on 7 inch standard spools. I do not know the length (and I'm not going to measure it!) but I would assume it's Standard play tape and the spools are full.
The interesting thing is that the tape is PERFORATED with 18 perforations every 3.75 inches, and is designed to run in sync with a projector at 18 fps. Actually the other way round as the perforations produced 18 pulses per second when the tape is played at 3.75 in/sec, using a photocell to read them. The Syncrodek compared these with the pulses from a reed switch operated by a magnet mounted on the projector main shaft, and controlled the projector speed to obtain synchronization. The perforations occupy track 3(or 2) on the tape; tracks 1,2(or 3) and 4 can be used for recording.
I've actually got a Syncrodek unit and a modified Eumig 824 HQS, but I've never used the unit for this purpose. I actually used it as a fine speed control for the Eumig when transferring to Video "on the fly".
I am considering putting the tapes, and possibly the unit, ( but not the Eumig!) on EBay, but I thought they may be of interest on the Forums first.

So, is anyone interested in making an offer or offers? Happy to answer questions.

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Paul Browning
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 - posted September 18, 2011 03:51 PM      Profile for Paul Browning   Email Paul Browning   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi martin,i too have one of these units but mine is attached to a philips reel to reel machine by syncrodek.I have quite a lot of other bits and pieces that are used in conjunction with the deck.I would love to use it with my elmo gs1200 but i'm not sure if its at all compatable,do you know more about this and if it would work?. I do know that when i looked for the perf tape there a few different types,one for super 8 and for reg 8.I might be interested in the tape if it was for super 8.I'm not sure if the gs1200 was around when this was invented because the gs has it's own pulse sync system but i'm guessing it's very different to the cresta units.

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Martin Jones
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From: Thetford , Norfolk,England
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 - posted September 19, 2011 03:10 AM      Profile for Martin Jones     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Good Morning, Paul,
There were two types of Syncrodek, the original mechanical one, which was connected to the projector by a flexible drive and one electrical cable, and the later electronic one, connected by two electrical cables.
From your post, I get the impression that yours is the Mechanical version, am I right?
The mechanical one compared the speed of a capstan driven by the tape with the speed of the projector via the flexible drive. Any error (detected by a simple differential gear) varied a resistor connected to the projector motor, thus correcting the speed. That one used conventional tape (No perforations).
The holes in the tape for the Electronic version served no mechanical purpose; the tape is too fragile to either be driven by, or turn, any sprocketed device. They are simply to detect the tape speed by optical means, so a projector running at 16 fps is synchronised to a tape running at 3.75 inches per second using a tape with 16 perforations in each 3.75 inches. Tapes running at other speeds and projectors running at other speeds had their own perforation pitch (18 every 7.5 ins, 24 every 1.875 ins, etc). At the time these units were in production you simply ordered tape for the combination you required, and the same unit would work with all of them. The other item to be specified was the projector make and model; the manufacturer supplied the correct mechanical/ electrical version for your machine. Simple, but effective.
The "tapes" you refer to (reg 8, Super 8 etc) are actually magnetic coatings on an acetate or polyester FILM base, used on sound recording/playback gear where the can either be driven by,or drive, a sprocket as they are strong enough for the purpose. Such Recording/Playback is know as "sepmag" (Separate Magnetic),commonly used by professionals as a replacement for the original separate optical recording systems.
So I don't think my tapes would be of much use to you, unless your Unit IS the Electronic one, and you can find a projector modified for (or capable of being modified for)it. The Elmo is not suitable.
The Synchrodek was made by Craven, by the way; the CRESTA units are an entirely different story... albeit a very successful one!

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Paul Browning
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 - posted September 19, 2011 10:37 AM      Profile for Paul Browning   Email Paul Browning   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi martin, thank you for you full explaination of these units.I
have now checked which one i have ( not sure where i got the syncrodek name from?) it's definately the cresta sprocketmaster connected to the the philips reel to reel.I'm not sure now if this can be used with the gs 1200 elmo.My problem is that i have a laurel & hardy film on super 8 of The Chimp,and although the sound is good it's out of sync in parts and very frustrating to watch !!!!. I had this crazy notion i could lift the entire sound track off and put it back on in sync using the sprocketmaster.Sorry martin does this make sense to you?.I have an elmo st 800 too would this be more suited to the task.Thank you once again.

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Martin Jones
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 - posted September 19, 2011 01:27 PM      Profile for Martin Jones     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I regret I have no working knowledge of the Cresta units, so cannot help. But I'm sure someone has.
Cheers,
Martin.

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Lee Mannering
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From: The Projection Box
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 - posted September 26, 2011 03:37 AM      Profile for Lee Mannering     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Martin.
The Syncrodek was a very popular choice at our cine club during the 70’s and even into the 80’s. We had members using both the older mechanical model and later the Electronic version which had a little scanning light I seem to remember and worked very well with the reel to reel. If I can paint you a picture of our clubs annual competition where we had several members set up in a row all with a projector stand, reel to reel and a Syncrodek it sure made for some sight I can tell you. Mr Bird was the expert at Cresta and I used to love talking to him on the phone about the later Cresta Sim-Sync which was a fantastic bit of kit enabling you to record live sound in sync onto a cassette tape and later down to the films post striped magnetic track. We favoured this system very much and burned many a late candle getting sound tracks built up and recorded onto stripe ready for club competitions which what was a very reliable system of electronic sound synchronisation. Our favoured projector was a Norisound which was modified for the Cresta unit having a small reed switch fixed just above the main drive shaft and a magnet glued onto the rotating shaft to activate the reed switch generating the on off pulse. Good times…

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