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Tommy Woods
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- posted June 04, 2012 06:03 PM      Profile for Tommy Woods   Email Tommy Woods   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
When I first got into this hobby in the mid 1970's,a good friend and enthusiast told me how he would film a TV programme in S8 sound,I even tried it myself once,but gave it up mainly because it was cost prohibited,and I have never really given it another thought,until a couple of years ago when I aquired a bag full of S8 sound films,lo and behold there is a load of films recorded straight off the TV in the 70's,this must've cost an arm and a leg at the time,and I'm not just talking about the odd 3 mins here and there,there are full 1/2 hr episodes.My question is how many of you out there did the same?Was this a popular thing to do?Was this a waste of film?

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Bill Phelps
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- posted June 04, 2012 06:07 PM      Profile for Bill Phelps     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have filmed odd bits here are there but was wondering on this stuff you have...is any of it rare/hard to find or is it stuff that you can obtain on VHS or DVD now?

Bill [Smile]

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Tommy Woods
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- posted June 04, 2012 06:12 PM      Profile for Tommy Woods   Email Tommy Woods   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Bill
I'd have to check,I haven't viewed them for a good while,as I remember there was some The Prisoner,and I'm sure some science fiction,

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Bryan Chernick
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I recently saw two separate Ebay listings for home movie footage of the John F. Kennedy funeral. They were both filmed off the TV, not at the actual funeral. I thought that was kind of odd but when you think about it, if they wanted to watch it again that would be the only way unless it was re-broadcast.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Surely there would be the"time line" on the recordings Tom,as
TV uses 25 fps as opposed to 24 and a horizontal line sometimes
static sometimes rolling appears on screen.

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Tommy Woods
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- posted June 04, 2012 06:25 PM      Profile for Tommy Woods   Email Tommy Woods   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes Hugh,they have got the timeline,another reason I am amazed the someone invested so heavily in time and money,as I remember Kodachrome was £5 plus per 3mim

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Pasquale DAlessio
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I have a small reel of Super 8mm shot from TV of various James Bond scenes. There is only a bit of it that's watchable. Either to dark or not focused. I got it from ebay a while ago. Hadly worth the effort. But at that time there was nothing available to buy yet. [Confused]

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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You've just jogged my memory there Tommy,I remember the
late Harry Nadler telling me that when he was being interviewed
by Granada TV I think,he was talking of his new magazine which
had a lengthy interview with Ray Harryhausen,and I remember he
told me that someone he knew had recorded the whole thing
on S/8, I wonder if it was your mate? This would be '69/70.

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Steve Klare
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My whacky neighbor filmed the Beatles on Ed Sullivan in R8 silent, and then accidentally double exposed it with her children in the kiddie pool. (The "kids" of course are almost retirement age now...)

Had she done it on purpose it would have been some kind of art!

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Douglas Meltzer
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- posted June 04, 2012 11:38 PM      Profile for Douglas Meltzer   Email Douglas Meltzer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I tried to create my own silent digests as a kid by filming off the TV, mostly Toho monster films. I also shot three 50' reels of a Monty Python episode, had them soundstriped and spent a good amount of time syncing the soundtrack from a cassette.

Doug

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Tommy Woods
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Hugh,
as I recall,these were probably a tad later,also I have viewed these (albeit some time ago),it dosen't ring a bell

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Graham Sinden
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The BBC used to film TV all the time in their telerecordings, where thay would just stick a 16mm camera in front of a TV/Monitor. These copies were used to distribute shows accross the world. Some early shows like Hancocks half hour only exist through their telerecordings.

As for myself I did try a few seconds once but got the dreaded bar for half the screen. I still have it somewhere.

Graham S

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Winbert Hutahaean
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I think with today' LCD screen the chace to get better pictures is higher. I have once shot an LCD screen and almost no bars seen and when it is projected through LCD projector you will not see them at all. I did this to create my own credit title. The result was posted here somewhere.

I have a full episode of UK TV program shot on 8mm.

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Bryan Chernick
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If you read my post My 15 seconds of fame when I was interviewed by a local new station. I decided to add that to the film and recorded it from my LCD. It came out pretty good. You can tell it was recorded from a TV because it looks a little off compared to the rest of the film.

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Tommy Woods
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- posted June 05, 2012 12:33 PM      Profile for Tommy Woods   Email Tommy Woods   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bryan,did you use s8?

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John Davis
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over the years I transferred home movies and about three times there was footage of the moon landing.

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Bryan Chernick
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quote:
Bryan,did you use s8?
I shot it in Regular 8mm with E100D film. I shot it with a Bolex P1 from about 5 feet away at f1.9. The TV is a 42" LCD.

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Tommy Woods
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Another little advertised benefit of LCD over 625 lines!!!!

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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The man who can throw some light on all this is surely our own
Martin Jones,who having worked with TV might have some
good advice.

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Claus Harding
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Don't forget one element: most of the Super-8 cameras never ran (or stayed precisely) at 24fps unless they were quartz-controlled, so if you had a camera that consistently ran a bit faster (I did [Big Grin] ) you could hit the scan rate "golden moment" and have footage where the exposure might undulate a bit, but you wouldn't be treated to big fat bars rolling through the picture.
I have part of an interview with the late Persis Khambatta from "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" when she was on a US talk show, and all things considered, it could certainly look a lot worse, given how it was shot.

The things we would do... [Wink]

Claus.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Well done Claus,it's good when a plan comes together.

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