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Paul Adsett
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I wrote a letter to the Orlando Sentinel about the BBC report that Tom and Jerry films are now to carry a warning about racial prejudice. My letter was printed today:

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Andrew Woodcock
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I have heard it all now Paul! Didn't Jungle Book get branded for the very same thing in some political quarters? As you say.. The world has gone completetely mad and nowadays has a massive sense of humour failure, all in the name of being politically correct.

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Pasquale DAlessio
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I agree. It's a real shame. The needs of the one out weigh the needs of the many.

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Barry Attwood
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I'm afraid that's why we'll never see "The Song of the South" anytime soon on DVD or Blu-ray, which is a shame. Potential buyers of this film should know the content before purchase, like the "Tom & Jerry" films they are 'childs' of their time and should be treated as such, and if released they also should not be altered in any way (like they have done on some 'Tom & Jerry' DVD discs).

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Larry Arpin
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There are some black face antics that some people find offensive. But all that is the product of it's time. They should all just let it go. I still love Tom & Jerry. The only thing I don't like is when a 16mm LPP print comes up on Ebay and goes way over my budget.

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Maurice Leakey
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I assume that "His Mouse Friday" isn't even shown,

Up'n pot, up'n pot.
Barbecuued Caat.

And the black-upped Jerry losing his pants to show his white b....

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Martin Jones
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This is from one who prides himself on believing that ALL men are equal regardless of Race, Colour or Creed.

But I am being cynical in wondering why the depiction of "evil,oppressed or dominant CAUCASIAN stereotypes" does not appear to be offensive to Caucasians?

Or is it that those who protest so loudly are actually the "racists"? Personally I cannot see anything to protest about when the portrayal is relevant to the point in History it portrays. Otherwise, "12 Years a Slave" would never have reached the screen.

Shakespeare: "Methinks thou do'st protest too much!"

[ October 07, 2014, 09:19 AM: Message edited by: Martin Jones ]

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Mark Todd
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Is there a complete dvd or Blu Ray release in the UK with all the cartoons uncut. Love to get them for the kids.

Be interesting to go to countries where white people are portrayed negatively in films, tv, or literature and tell them its not on !!!

Best Mark.

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Dominique De Bast
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The "politically correct" attacked the strip "Tintin In Congo". In Belgium they lost the trial and the album is still sold as previousely but I know that in some Anglo-Saxon countries, it is sold in an adult section and there is an advertisment with it !

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Osi Osgood
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Heck Larry, I'd just go with nearly any Derann printing of the Tom and Jerry shorts! They are absolutely stunning!

I have a print from Derann print run of "heavenly Puss" and I would put that up against ANY 16MM I have seen, even shines against my copy seen on the laserdisc collection I still have. The color is so saturated and gorgeous!

Just a suggestion .... [Big Grin]

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Tom Photiou
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doesnt this show what a bunch of sad twats this PC country,and the states is becoming, why is every mention or suggestion of black in any cartoon or movie now deemed racist, who the hell is offended by a T&J cartoon, they should be shot, kids, who the cartoons are aimed at, wouldnt even give it a thought unless some sad twisted **** put this into there heads. I'd shut the crappy BBC down tomorrow,
oh of course its fine to show kids shouting and swearing at adults in TV programms,sex gory violence, and drug taking in close up, as well as movies where every other word is F***, i guess no ones offended by all of these.

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John Richard Almond
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Tom, I agree with your sentiments. only the other night on the northwest bbc channel news they were asking people on the streets about this and the only person that said "thats funny " after watching a clip was a very young black girl. She was about 8 years old. Clearly her parents or elders have not altered her mind yet.

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Andrew Woodcock
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Now then, who's up for watching "Coal Black & De Seben Dwarfs" then?

I wonder what complaints the "Beeb" would receive from giving that a screening on CBBC nowadays...only to be followed by an early evening re-run of "Love Thy Neighbour" straight after "Eastenders" on Beeb One!!!

They would no doubt be shut down by 9pm forever! Ha ha.

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Kevin Hassall
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my grandkids love em and so do i it brings the kid out of me some people have got sad lives never mind tom and jerry look at some of the kids programs these days ha ha

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Tom Photiou
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Andrew, I have a copy myself, its a great cartoon and a funny one in every way. [Wink]
I did have the Isle of Pingo Pongo and I do still have Blitz Wolf, all very funny cartoons, they should all be shown on CBBC [Big Grin]

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Ken Finch
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All my grandchildren have seen and love T&J. and often request to see them in my cinema when they come for a sleep over. They would certainly not associate them with racism unless some "twit" put the idea into their heads. One of my children used to collect the little golliwog figures from "Robinsons" jam and marmalade company until they were forced to stop producing them!! Oops! is "golliwog" also banned and am I racist for typing it? Some people need to start living in the real world and develop some common sense.Ken Finch. [Roll Eyes]

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Tom Photiou
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Well said Ken, all the people who fought and died for this country in the wars must wonder why the hell they bothered.

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Andrew Woodcock
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It's funny you should say those very words Tom, because I have thought those very same thoughts on at least 5 occasions in this past month alone!

I often wonder if even one of them would say it was all worth while if they could see what I see nowadays on a day to day basis?

No wonder most of us 40 somethings wear our poppies with extreme pride!

That's as far as my politics can take me on here given the quite correct strict ruling!

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Paul Adsett
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Anybody on this side of the pond know if Aunt Jemimah Pancake Syrup has also endured the PC censorship?
I remember the Robinson's Jam golliwog label very well. When I was growing up it was a regular feature of our breakfast table. It never occured to me that it had hidden racial overtones! [Roll Eyes]

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Terry Sills
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I have two 'black' ( I hate that description) grandchildren who regularly visit and they always ask to watch my Tom & Jerry cartoons every time they come. Pure innocent pleasure and enjoyment for them ( and me). Absolutely no question of racism or violence for them. But their minds haven't been twisted yet by our degenerate modern society. I dread to think what the future will bring.
Is it just me or does anyone else think that calling someone black is the most offensive and racist term that you could possibly use.

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Martin Jones
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I don't find it offensive or racist, as it is the description of choice for "darker skinned" people, but I am not comfortable with it.
However, this problem is not new. I was born in India in 1937 and at that time the junior section of the Guide movement was known in the UK as the Brownies, because of the uniform colour. The equivalent in INDIA was "Bluebirds" for the obvious reason.....

Should the UK Brownies (who still wear Brown/Yellow uniforms)now change their name in case some mentally deficient (oops.. forbidden description!) PC idiot puts the wrong connotation to the name, based on the skin colour of many of it's members?

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Terry Sills
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Martin
I think you make my point by saying that you are not comfortable with it yourself! - and 'decription of choice'- BY WHO! I certainly don't remember a survey being made asking the general public (or the ethnic classes) what they would be prefer to be named as. In any case there are no black people. Some are very dark brown but never black. This is a colour which is associated with wrong and evil and the complete opposite of white, which has connotations of goodness and purity. Little wonder there is sometimes such division between communities. Anyway enough of this diatribe - we are getting away from the topic of Tom & Jerry methinks.
In my opinion, anyone who has a problem watching and enjoying Tom & Jerry cartoons, indeed has a problem!

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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Some of the heirs of the model who appeared on the Aunt Jemima packaging are suing the company for 2 billion dollars claiming that her image is what made the product successful.

Yahoo News Story

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The heirs of women who appeared to the public as Aunt Jemima are now suing the Quaker Oats Company in a federal court in Chicago for a whopping $2 billion and a cut of future revenue.

The heirs contend that the original Aunt Jemimas — sort of the Progressive Insurance Flo characters of their time — got stiffed after they were promised royalties, according to The Courier-Journal.

The story proffered in the lawsuit is a complex one.

The plaintiffs, great-grandsons of Anna S. Harrington, assert that Harrington and a former slave named Nancy Green invented and helped to sell America’s first self-rising pancake mix. Green, the suit claims, is responsible for the addition of powdered milk to the recipe. Harrington made the formula even more delicious by throwing in “potato grease.”

Documents submitted as part of the lawsuit include an advertisement suggesting that the Aunt Jemima recipe is a “secret” concoction from the Deep South. Another ad identifies the pancakes recipe as a “magic” one that will “turn out dese tender, ‘licious, jiffy-quick pancakes.”

Green also hawked Aunt Jemima pancake mix at the 1893 Chicago World’s Fair — the one that featured the planet’s first Ferris wheel.

She died in 1923, when she was still representing Aunt Jemima according to court documents. Around the same time, Quaker Oats purchased the Aunt Jemima brand.

Three of Harrington’s daughters subsequently represented themselves as Aunt Jemima on behalf of Quaker.

“Defendants were in position to exploit Nancy Green, and Anna Harrington, that came from plantations,” the lawsuit claims. Quaker Oats and the previous owners of the Aunt Jemima brand “made false promises” that Green and Harrington “would receive a percentage of the monies or royalties” when their likenesses were used.

D.W. Hunter, a great-grandson of Harrington’s, is one of the litigants.

“Aunt Jemima has become known as one of the most exploited and abused women in American history,” he told according to The Courier-Journal.

Quaker contends that there was never any person named Aunt Jemima.

“The image symbolizes a sense of caring, warmth, hospitality and comfort, and is neither based on, nor meant to depict any one person,” the company said in a statement.

Also, no contracts between Quaker and either Green or Harrington appear to exist.

Another huge problem for the plaintiffs is that the statute of limitations for their lawsuit almost certainly ran out a very long time ago regardless of the suit’s merits.

“If a person doesn’t take action within an applicable period of time, their claim goes away,” Louisville attorney Cox told The Courier-Journal.

Hunter, who calls himself a civil rights activist, described the case as a “fight for the economic parity of rights of people whose civil and human rights have been violated.” He also valiantly promised to purchase “agricultural crops from disenfranchised African women farmers” in Africa and Brazil if he succeeds with his $2 billion claim, according to the Louisville newspaper.


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Joe Vannicola
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A few years ago, I read somewhere(I've forgotten the name of the publication)that the woman who was Aunt Jamima was a figure head and nothing more, hired by the pancake company to play a character. And now, 91 years later, her heirs are suing for financial remuneration. Oh give me a break! This world gets nuttier every day!

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