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Larry Arpin
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 953
From: Sunland, CA, USA
Registered: Dec 2006
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posted July 08, 2018 03:44 PM
On the 35mm forum Matt Palmer who posted "I made a movie!: CALIBRE" said this after someone asked if he shot 35mm: "Thanks for the new reviews!
For budget reasons, we shot on the Alexa. Then in the grade we added a heavy 16mm organic grain - a reel of 16mm is shot against a grey background, then the grey is taken away, leaving only a layer of actual film grain which can then be placed over the images - this process works very well and it's pretty damn difficult (if a film's been shot with decent lenses and graded well) to tell the difference between film and digital in the final movie. So when seen in theatres the movie looks very grainy and nicely filmic.
BUT, this grain had to be dialed down quite a bit for the online version (it would have failed quality control tests), so the grain is a lot less noticeable online, but still has a subtle effect I think (it makes the images feel heavier and dirtier).
If I get to make another movie and have a higher budget then I'd shoot on film for sure. That said, I'd probably still add the grain, which is kind of the equivalent of printing to film after you've shot on it."
First time I had heard them do this sort of thing using actual grain from film but it would seem they would continually be using the same grain over and over.
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Nantawat Kittiwarakul
Master Film Handler
Posts: 280
From: Rajburana, Bangkok, Thailand
Registered: Aug 2017
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posted July 17, 2018 09:54 PM
Thrust me,I had seen all kinds of HELL in film projection in my (undeveloped) country. All varies from very perfect presentation in first-run movie palace,to open-air shows in rural area where all prints are scratched to death running through worn-out projector causing the picture to dance around the screen like crazy.
The point is,digital projection would,at least make the presentation somewhat more consistent in terms of quality. It MIGHT NOT supersede the best film projection,but it DEFINITELY will,by far, leave the worst film projection in the dust.
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David Hardy
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 955
From: Johnshaven Village , Montrose, Scotland
Registered: Jan 2015
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posted July 19, 2018 02:51 AM
Graham i have watched your excellent video i can detect some image movement.
There is no such beastie as a "rock steady" image when it comes to film projection on any gauge.
There is always some very slight movement due to the mechanical nature of film projection no matter how good and pristine the projector may be.
Even though the best of machines are finely tuned to the "thresholds of unsteadiness" the mechanical imperfections still exist.
The threshold of unsteadiness below which it is not detected depends on the optical limitations of the human eye.
In all my years as a cinema projectionist i have never seen a rock steady image on the screen.
I have worked in my time with 35mm Super Simplex, Westars, Strong Century , Kinotons , Cinemaccanica V 7 and V 8 and of course that Rolls Royce of machines the Philips DP 70/35mm Todd-ao.
Never on any of them have i seen a "rock steady" image , as on very close inspection, right up to the screen, when viewed right up to the edge of the image to the black screen masking i used a white ruler to help detect any movement.
I have done this with both 35mm and 70mm and i have always found the slightest evidence of image movement. Its in the very nature of the beast. [ July 22, 2018, 02:37 AM: Message edited by: David Hardy ]
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