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Topic: Future of 9.5 filmstock
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Luigi Castellitto
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 715
From: Campobasso, Italy
Registered: Jun 2013
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posted October 18, 2018 05:58 PM
Too bad for Kodak, on Ferrania we already had less hope... :|
I ask a question, Dom, to pass at the laboratory: the Fomapan R100 16mm single perf costs 27.68 EU (in the Foma shop) the 35mm costs 57.28 EUR. Could the laboratory buy these and cut them in 9.5mm? I imagine that from 35mm you can get at least 2 films 9.5 (3 I think not, because of the perforations), one 9,5mm from a 16mm film. And then, adding the cost of cutting and a small revenue. Can you get 35 euros? I don't know if it is a good price for a film b/w, but in times when a Super 8 Ekatachrome will cost € 49... Ok, Ekta is in color, but 9,5mm is more rare film, and the Fomapan mentioned above are 30 meters!
And if from 35mm Fomapan you can get THREE films 9.5mm would become really interesting.
Ok, you lose a lot of film, but to have 9.5mm... <3
And maybe the laboratory could offer a "cutting service", for a cheap price shipping cost excluded, for those who already have a film to "sacrifice".
Maybe there are users that would cut films already in their possession. For exemple, cut 16mm or 35mm films expired by not long time and refrigered, that still give a good result.
Bearing in mind that on ebay there are 16mm expired in the '80s, in the' 90s or in the '70s at little prices. I am one who would also do this. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
I have bought a Kodachrome 16mm expired in 1979 at 3 euros, developed in black and white, as it is now, it gave me interesting results... With a cutting service I would have gladly cut it in 9.5mm!
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Dominique De Bast
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From: Brussels, Belgium
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posted October 19, 2018 03:09 AM
Luigi, Color City doesn't want to handle black and white since it's forbiden to process it in France. The Club did not insist as there is still no lab to process 9.5 black and white film over 15mt (the Dutch lab cannot handle 30 mt lenghts).
Graham, reperforing 16 mm to 9.5 has been discussed but the price is certainly a problem. The advantage of reperforing from 35 mm uncut stock is that, as you know, get three strips of 9.5, which make it cheaper than 16 mm. That would be the best option to have Something viable. Other solutions would not bring something viable on a large scale. About black and white film, as I replied to Luigi, the trouble is to process the film. The Spanish lab that was contacted by the Spanish club process only negative film in 9.5 It seems that they are reluctant to make the invest of modifying their machine to be able to process reversal film as they say they have no demand for 9.5. It's a silly situation because people don't send them film to process because they don't process them and they don't start processing because they say they got no film ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) The Spanish club was told by the lab that reversal processing should be available later but they have keeping saying that since more than one year. I don't think iy's the end of 9.5 but it may be the end of an easy access to filmstock and process. The French club is looking for a solution, Nothing is lost so far but we will need luck.
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Luigi Castellitto
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From: Campobasso, Italy
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posted October 19, 2018 09:33 AM
Dom, I understand the reluctance because in France doesn't develop b/w, however, since the Dutch laboratory does not elaborate 30mt but only 15mt, France (or Spain) could produce film of maximum 15 meters? For users of cameras that accept only 30 meters there would be only the inconvenience of applying 15 meters of film on a 30mt reel.
I do a similar thing with the Double Super 8: my Pathé only accepts 30 meters reels, I buy also a 10 meters of Fomapan R100 and I apply it (in the dark, but it's not difficult at all, just wrap) on 30mt reels. Everything's fine.
On the other hand, 15 meters was an existing 9.5mm measurement, Color City had it.
[ October 19, 2018, 10:40 AM: Message edited by: Luigi Castellitto ]
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Dominique De Bast
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From: Brussels, Belgium
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posted October 28, 2018 12:08 PM
Hello Luigi, sorry for the delay. Smaller lenghts of black and white are available (or were available, I didn't check recently if the Spanish club is keeping on producing film that cannot be easily process) but I think that smaller lenghts are more difficult to handle. Color City, indeed had colour stock of 8,20 mt and 14 mt but they had customers for that, I don't know if there would be such a high demand in black and white. Color city could, since they still have the machines, reperfor black and white films but without the process work benefit, it may not be viable for the lab. Not only, you have the trouble to reperfor but keep in mind that Color City would not provide camera spools that would not come back (unlike for colour stock that is sent back for process) so it's extra work if you must use customers'own spools (all that in the dark…). Kodak has not replied, yet, to requests about future availability of Ektachrome on 35 mm sotck (preferabily unperfored to get three 9.5 stripes). A German provider can sell colour stock to the club but at an high price. Given that Kodak is not cheaper neither, this German company may be reconsider (due to the "emergency") but nothing decided about that, yet. I contacted a British lab that process 9.5 colour stock to see if it was possible to process also black and white film but the answer was no (I Wonder why but so it is) but I got from them the contacts of another lab (based in London) that process black and white 8 and 16 mm films. I got no reply to my e-mail and they didn't answer the phone so no solution at the moment.
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