8mm Forum: Film Cleaner on Super8 Projector mount

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Posted by Dimitrios Kremalis (Member # 272) on November 12, 2005, 11:09 AM:

Has anyone ever tried to install a Film Cleaner before the film entry guide of a Super8 Projector? Do you think it is worth a try to protect those rare features?
I've just noticed one mounted in a Bauer 510 Projector here: http://i7.ebayimg.com/01/i/05/62/e0/21_1_b.JPG

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on November 12, 2005, 09:47 PM:

Modifying a Kelmar 35mm or 70mm cleaner to run on 8mm is easy enough...but so is making a cleaner stand. What we used to do years back was to make a wooden stand made of two vertical posts. At the top would be the film cleaner bracket that the cleaner would attach to (initially designed to mount on the top of a 35mm projector) and the film would pull off of the supply reel in a southeast direction into the cleaner, then leave the cleaner in a southwest direction into the projector. A "shelf" support in between the two vertical posts would hold the anamorphic, similar to what Chip Gelmini has.

It worked magnificently and does a far better job of cleaning than any other machine on the market could. (It also cleans better than doing it by hand.)

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on November 13, 2005, 02:39 AM:

trouble with cleaning by hand is exactly how much pressure should you put on the film with your fingers?, i mean, should the film pass lightly or are you meant to squeeze firmly, how et should the cloth be? pads on film cleaners do appear quite tight?? [Confused]

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on November 13, 2005, 04:53 AM:

Hi quite agree Tom, its very easy to apply a bit much pressure and actually put fine scratches on the film. Especially with a not so lubing cleaner. I would imagine going by filmgaurds properties its about the best to get away with that.
I`m about to try some properly thanks to a kind forum member.
Best Mark.

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on November 13, 2005, 05:38 AM:

Noris made one especially for mounting on the front of their range of machines. It's a bit like the device that you can put on most editors.

Kev.

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on November 13, 2005, 06:45 AM:

& thanks to my mate Kev ( [Wink]

) i have one now and am very pleased with it.

Posted by Dimitrios Kremalis (Member # 272) on November 13, 2005, 07:15 AM:

Kevin, does it fit a GS-1200 too?

Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on November 13, 2005, 08:29 AM:

Ahh but if you use WD40 as a lube and cleaner........ [Big Grin]

Posted by Craig Hamilton (Member # 258) on November 13, 2005, 08:43 AM:

WOW Tony WD40 do you think it will work [Big Grin]

What about that top quality cleaner sold at Classic Home Cinema? Now if only I could remember what it’s called!!! Ah yes PARAFFIN. [Big Grin]

Craig

Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on November 13, 2005, 09:16 AM:

Nahh... Armor-All is the way to go... (you knew that was coming) [Big Grin]

Posted by Ugo Grassi (Member # 139) on November 14, 2005, 06:07 AM:

I have two or three things to say on the paraffin!
Folks... don't use it!
When you lub the film with it you think it's a good thing for the film: the scratches disapper, the film runs smootly and so on.. but...
...you don't know the paraffin is like a "dead penality" for claw's pin! The film with the paraffin on is like plate for food with a graese layer on: your hands don't slide on it.

I ran many test and now I know the best way to clean the film is a mix of naphtha and sylicon oil (5%). The best naphtha for the film is that for lighter.

Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on November 14, 2005, 04:53 PM:

Ugo

I came across a tin of Silicon Oil for the photocopier at work, could this be the same thing?

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on November 14, 2005, 05:31 PM:

WD40. KW has been using it for years on the prints he shows at the BFCC and Craig had some striped film imersed for nearly a year with absolutely no problems to the film or stripe.
I have used it and the couple of films I have tried it on still run through the GS ok and the marks are still gone.
Easier to use a spray can instead of bottles of liquid even if they do smell the same! [Wink]

Kev.

Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on November 14, 2005, 10:03 PM:

I'm sorry, who's KW? ... And am I getting that right, you're seriously recommending WD40 for cleaning film?

Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on November 14, 2005, 11:10 PM:

I believe KW is Keith Wilton. The 'Dean Emeritus' of the BBC and Super 8mm,
16mm & 35mil. BFCC, FLD,FF, and FFF&F.

quote:
Billy Gilbert from The Music Box

Seriously, don't mess with KW, he know a thing or two, about a thing or two.
And keeps the medium- alive.

Check out his personal cinemas. I believe he has 3 in his home.

Michael

Posted by Ugo Grassi (Member # 139) on November 15, 2005, 06:55 AM:

Hi tony,
I think it should work. The best way is to run some tests on less value films.

Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on November 15, 2005, 07:23 AM:

Ugo,

Does your Silicon/Naptha mix do anything for the scratches? Or does it just clean?

Posted by Ugo Grassi (Member # 139) on November 15, 2005, 02:32 PM:

A little bit it works on the scratches

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