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Posted by Jon Addams (Member # 816) on November 05, 2007, 02:15 AM:
I have a nice dilemma, my Italian father-in-law has a Fumeo 9145 with a 500W Xenon lamp and extra large reels that he wants to sell and asked me to make him an offer. [Cool]

He’s the only owner and has kept that baby in pristine condition. It still looks brand new. What a beauty!

He is going to sell it because he no longer uses it. Other than keeping it in top condition by regular cleaning and maintenance, he hasn’t shown a movie in ages and at 83 years old he’s in not longer interested.

I have absolutely no idea what type of offer to make him but I am going to buy it whatever the cost. [Confused] [Confused]

Can I get some suggestions here?

Thank you

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on November 05, 2007, 03:13 AM:
I think you should take some pictures first of the machine and then post them here! That way our italian members can take a look. The Fumeo's were handmade so there could be a lot of variables. First..was the machine built for the US market ie: 110 voltage. Also is it in Stereo? Does it record? Which lens does it have? Scope lens? Pedestal Model or Table top?
So many variables. If I were you I would offer him $500 and call it a day. [Smile]
Please take some pictures and post them. I for one would love to see one! I keep seeing the same pictures of the machine that is floating on the web. Ignacio's Machine!
Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on November 05, 2007, 03:35 AM:
That would be Ignacio Benedetti from Spain then Alan. Coincidentally he's also into Triumph TR7's and TR8's so the pair of us have more in common than just cine. What a right pair of nutters eh?!?

I would say these Fumeo's, whatever model, in good condition are worth at least £800. The xenon's are probably worth more and if they have all the stereo and recording gubbings then they're possibly even more than that. So whichever model it turns out to be if you can get it for $1000 then you'll do well.
Posted by Ugo Grassi (Member # 139) on November 05, 2007, 07:53 AM:
The right price of the 9145 with stereo feature is about 2500 euro. Anyway the stereo machine was available like request only. So it's hard to find a 9145 with this feature.
The 9145 is a wonderful machine, but by a two blades shutter the Elmo GS1200 Xenon is brighter than the italian projector.
Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on November 05, 2007, 08:40 AM:
Jon. It may be worth quite a bit if its all in working order and good condition. I would say around £1500 if mint.
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on November 05, 2007, 01:08 PM:
Sounds fantastc, is there any chance you can run some film through it to try it out?, with Xenon lamps in general be careful not to run them without film in the gate for to long, only for a very short period, its the lens you have to protect from the heat, just be carefull with Xenon lamps especially handling them they can be dangerous, Xenon lamps have a life measured in hours so I wonder if your projector has a clock on it so you can get an idea of lamp life, look foward to here how you get on, with 500W at the gate it should be very impressive.

Posted by Jon Addams (Member # 816) on November 05, 2007, 08:04 PM:
Thank you for all the great tips and suggestions. This Fumeo has the stereo heads and the lens is a Vario Cinelux MC8 1.1 / 11-30mm zoom.

I am going to spend the Thanksgiving weekend with my in-laws (as I told my wife, “It’s time to visit your folks” [Wink] ). I will take a couple of my movies to watch.

I’ll probably make him an offer as I hope to bring it home with me when come back to New York in early December. [Smile] [Smile]

Thank you very much Graham the valuable tip about the lamps and yes, I’ll be running some films thru it.

I’ll post some pictures as soon as I can when I come back from my visit even If I don't get the projector.


Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on November 05, 2007, 09:45 PM:

"...even if I don't get the projector"....

Where to start..put a 'hold' on it, by any means necessary, until you get home and reassess things...DO NOT let it go, even if you don't feel you want/need it.

Think of the rest of us; slobbering at the description of a 500W Xenon machine...good god, man, think of England, in that wonderful old phrase (even if I am Danish and live in the US, I think I understand the meaning.)

It's a Fumeo. It's a Xenon Fumeo. For Super-8...I am in pain here. You have family on your side for the deal. Make it go to your home or be a true samaritan and save that wonderful device for someone here to buy. I can't say I have the cash for it, but someone here ought to have it, just for the cosmic justice of us being the protectors of this fine format.

Some of the above was written tongue-in-cheek, some of it was quite serious (in a nice way.)

Do let us know what happens.

Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on November 06, 2007, 04:15 PM:
Hi Jon don`t convert any UK values in to Dollars( Ie x2) as remeber you can buy the same with a dollar your way as a £1 gets you here.( I think also the euro is crazy against the $1 now)
So if you pay $1000 in the US its like paying £1000 here.
With him being family if he`s well off why not pay so much a month if he`s OK with that, he`s probaly glad its going to a good home.
Where can I get a relation like that.
Best Mark.
Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on November 25, 2007, 03:35 AM:
ok! Its after Thanksgiving! I want an update with pictures of this fabulous machine. Please?
Posted by Fabrizio Mosca (Member # 142) on November 25, 2007, 03:17 PM:
Jon, be careful because Fumeo used a head that looked like stereo but was mono (balance track was dummy).
To check if it's a stereo head, look if it has 3 wires coming from downside.
Posted by Jon Addams (Member # 816) on November 25, 2007, 05:31 PM:
Hello Alan,

Those pictures and a full report will take a little longer than expected. Unfortunately, I spent Thanksgiving at Saint Vincent hospital recuperating from an emergency heart surgery. The trip was postponed perhaps I’ll be able to make it by Christmas but most likely my doctors will not clear me until sometimes in January.

I am going to buy it though; I already gave my father-in-law a deposit.

Thank you for the tip Fabrizio, I appreciate it and I will follow your suggestion.


Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on November 25, 2007, 07:06 PM:

I'm glad your surgery went ok and I hope you have a speedy recovery. It's medically acknowledged that anticipating taking delivery of a Fumeo helps quicken the healing process.

Posted by Jon Addams (Member # 816) on November 25, 2007, 07:11 PM:
"It's medically acknowledged that anticipating taking delivery of a Fumeo helps quicken healing."

Thank you Doug [Wink] [Wink] [Wink]

Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on November 25, 2007, 08:48 PM:
no offense Jon, but since he no longer uses it, and unless your father-in-law really needs money, I think he should give you the machine on the condition it stays in the family. That's what I would do [Smile] p.s. get well soon!
Posted by Glenn Brady (Member # 715) on May 28, 2008, 10:00 PM:
Hi, Jon

Have you gotten the Fumeo 9145 projector across the Atlantic? If so, can you share your impressions of the machine (re: build quality, picture quality, ease of operation, etc.)?

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on May 28, 2008, 11:57 PM:
That bird has flown away...very far away.....
Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on May 30, 2008, 07:38 AM:

Are you saying what I think your saying?? [Frown]

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on May 31, 2008, 10:09 AM:
Posted by Josef Grassmann (Member # 378) on May 31, 2008, 11:09 AM:
sorry Sirs, but I can´t deal with your euphoric behaviour on Fumeo 9145. The 9145 is in fact a real misconstruction.
So it might not help to quicken the healing process.
The 9145 with 500W Xenon did cost approx. 28,000 DM (14,000 Eur, or 19,000 US$). It was an extrem expensive machine with unsatisfying performance.
Super 8 projector 9145 had been developed from an existing 16mm Fumeo projector. There are still two 16mm film rollers underneath lamphouse (which is fine)
The mean disadvantage is claw mechanism itself, because it is a modified version from fumeo´s 16mm machine.
(to be continued, I have to leave for repair in a cinema)
Posted by Josef Grassmann (Member # 378) on June 02, 2008, 08:52 AM:
Most of you will know, film in camera will be moved by one pin (claw) which is located one step (frame) above aperture (optical line). Now all film projectors have to move film by using the same hole as the camera did.Thus ensures that you achieve very stable frames during projection. Production tolerances within film perforation is negliable as camera and projector are using the same hole - in relation to individual projected frame - one hole above aperture on 8mm.
I think there does exist an Industial Standard and Kodak "guidelines" about that matter.
Due to the fact that the fumeo 9145 had been converted from a 16mm machine, the claw is located unterneath aperture. Therefore the claw is always using different holes compared to the camera, resulting in an unstable picture.
If you are projecting different films, you will recognise a more or less stable picture. It depends fully on the precision of stamped perforation holes on each filmstrip.
I have seen films with terrible vibrating frames on a 9145. Same film showed very stable frames even projected on very cheap projectors.
Fumeo projectors are very great machines, but there exist at least one exception.
I don´t know, why they choosed a converted 16mm projector for a such expensive machine.

[ June 07, 2008, 02:33 AM: Message edited by: Josef Grassmann ]
Posted by Jon Addams (Member # 816) on December 10, 2008, 01:22 PM:
"That bird has flown away...very far away....." - I]Originally posted by Alan Rik.
That bird had a massive coronary plus a minor stroke and barely survived, AFTER spending just under 6 month in the hospital (two in intensive care) AND several months of therapy and outpatient treatment, that bird is now home STILL weak, in theraphy and recuperating.

I doubt THAT BIRD can fly anywhere anytime soon. Right now the bird only wishes he could walk just a little better!


Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on December 10, 2008, 11:27 PM:
Jon, good to see that bird flying back this way again. I'm terribly sorry to hear of such an agonizingly hard year. Welcome back, and hope you'll be able to spend more time with us.
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on December 11, 2008, 04:16 AM:
Hi Jon
Very sorry to read what has happened and wish you a speedy recovery

Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on December 11, 2008, 11:19 AM:

Its good to see you're alive and well! (recovering).

It's good to take it slow for a while after someting like that. One day at a time.

Hope to see you on the forum again soon.

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on December 11, 2008, 11:40 AM:

Along with every member of this Forum, my best wishes for a speedy recovery.
Since you're in the big city, let me know if you'd like a visit from some fellow Forum New Yorkers. I only wish I had a Fumeo to bring over!

Posted by Jon Addams (Member # 816) on December 12, 2008, 04:53 AM:
Hello Doug, Bill, Graham and James,

Thank you very much for your kind words, I appreciate it [Smile] . One day at a time is the ticket; another few months and I shall be back at 80-90%, recovering fully seems to be out-of-the-question. [Frown] [Frown]

I certainly have enough time in my hand to hang around the forum learning from you guys. [Wink] [Cool]

Doug, I am recuperating and taking therapy in Philadelphia as I am staying with my daughter right now, I would love to meet some of you guys when I get back to the apple later next year. I never got to see that Fumeo, let us see what the future brings.

Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on March 18, 2015, 06:10 PM:
Hi Jon, did you ever get that Fumeo 9145?
Posted by Bill Shenette (Member # 4561) on March 18, 2015, 06:42 PM:
I would keep it in the family
ths is my humble opnion [Smile]
Posted by Jon Addams (Member # 816) on March 18, 2015, 10:16 PM:
Hi Jon, did you ever get that Fumeo 9145?
Never got it, the unit was top-notch and he sold it locally. At the time offered to me, I was going through some serious health issues (still not out of the woods) He sold the projector locally. [Mad] [Mad] [Mad]

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on March 19, 2015, 04:01 AM:
There was always the possibility that it would not have been suitable for U.S.A. electricity mains voltage and frequency.
The Super 8 database quotes the 9145 as being for 200-250 volts at a frequency of 50Hz.
Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on March 19, 2015, 06:00 AM:
Good to find out what happened. Hopefully the new owner appreciates it and gets good use out of it.
Posted by Bill Shenette (Member # 4561) on March 19, 2015, 08:08 AM:
Hope you feel well soon.
too bad about the projector.
I have had thinks like that happen to me also
Get well soon so you can enjoy the hobby

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