Getting into 16mm from 8mm

[Lee Mannering]

Scott You can also get the Elmo CL in disguise. I got the Kodak CT1000 version for £50 same machine less money, just sold it to a dear friend actually who was in need as you do.

[Mark Todd]

Scott, don`t forget the Elmo Zing !!!

Nothing to beat a good one.

But you do need one where the rear arm take up spindle set up is a dark grey, not white plastic or Aluminium type silver.

When nicely set up they are also less fussy with films and handle odd sprocket wear issues etc better than an Eiki/Elf.

Some of the Hokoshin Slot loaders I think maybe came from the Elmo fctory as well.

Best Mark.

[Jon Byler]

I've never had a problem feeding anything through an Elmo. EIKI if there is any small problem with the sprocket holes in the film, you will have much bigger problems after running through an Eiki. otherwise, Eiki make a nice projector. I haven't used any bell and howell projector for ages, so can't comment on them, except that they seemed to hold up well under abuse in school settings. Changing out the rubber rollers on an Elmo is not trivial, but it's a very doable job if you're remotely mechanically inclined. Youtube videos from larry urbanski can show you how, and his replacement rollers work great, and IMHO totally worth the cost and trouble to install.

[Maurice Leakey]

If I found one (zoom lens) for the Kodak Pageant, I would not be upset at all! (-so far, no luck.)

Steve

I see from my Kodak Pageant instruction book that Kodak made a Bifocal Adjuster for it. It screws into the basic 2" lens. One way it gives a 1&5/8 bigger picture, and the other way round it gives a 2&1/2 smaller picture.

Might be useful.

Urbanski Film have one for sale at $125.

Projectors, Telecine, Lenses & Accessories (urbanskifilm.com)
Scroll down to Kodak 16mm lenses.

[Steve Klare]

Thanks, Maurice

I saw the bifocal adjuster once. When I let it be known I was interested in 16mm, a friend from CineSea who is a huge Pageant fan started to look around for a nice one for me. He brought it to Wildwood and I took custody there.

I'd done the math and I told him the two inch lens was going to be a problem, but he brought a couple of solutions along. One of them was the bifocal attachment and one was a 11/2 inch lens:
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2 Inch and 11/2 inch Pageant Lenses

The bifocal was fairly pricey, but the 11/2 inch he included with the projector. It's worked out well: at least all the film projectors are no more than a step apart now. The difference a zoom would make is the ability to drop the pageant exactly where one of the Elmos sit and fine tune the picture on screen

I'll always remember that trip! There we were: my wife, my teenaged son, myself, our luggage, a cooler, my film stuff and two 8mm machines wedged into a Honda Civic Coupe! When we added a Kodak Pageant into that mix, I was concerned my kid was going to have to walk home from New Jersey!😉

[Maurice Leakey]

Steve

You do seem well organised with your lenses.

One of my projector stands is on locking caster wheels. Many years ago when I did mobile touring projection before I had zoom lenses for my 16mm projectors I used this stand in various locations. I knew the approximate projector to screen distance, and once all was set up I gently moved the stand to accurately fill the screen.

My Pageant is for UK voltage, in addition to optical it also has magnetic playback and record. Must have been quite expensive in its day. It's the model AV-12M6-L.

Kodak Pageant Sound Projector Magnetic Model AV-12M6 User manual English – Van Eck Video Services (van-eck.net)

[Lee Mannering]

16mm is fun half way to 35 as well Lenses are even more interesting if you construct your own.
Made several prime lenses for my beloved slimline elf stripping out the elf lens elements and sleeving in a variety from 25mm upwards great fun.

[Steve Klare]

-building a zoom would certainly place you in the advanced class!

Some years ago, a woman I befriended as an E-bay seller was selling her recently departed Dad's collection of railroad films. It was a great time for me: her Dad took really good care of his prints!
I helped her out with my knowledge of what she was selling and when I lost my job in the middle of the whole thing, she set aside films for sale that I wanted until I got back up on my feet. I also promised her that her Dad's films were going to a place where they would be well cared for and appreciated.
Then she found some 16mm titles, and I just knew I'd never get into 16mm (-strange: I said the exact same thing about sound 20 years earlier!), so I helped her by listing them in our 16mm sales section.
Of course I lived to regret that certainty a few years ago.
I did go into the GOF and find those sales listings and it turns out in the years since I got good prints of the same titles on Super-8. At the size I project it's just not worth duplicating good 8mm prints with 16mm. -so I feel better things turned out as they did.