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  • Fitting a Internal Speaker to a Older ELF 16mm Projector My barn find.

    The things we take on as motion picture enthusiasts...

    All of my equipment projects were just about completed other than a 9-5 sound projector I'm upgrading so I needed a new project then what rolled up a 16mm RM1 Elf from a farm. It was covered in muck both out and in so I stripped most of it down and just about all back together, lubricated, couple parts replaced and being an earlier Elf these didn't have a internal loud speaker. Have fitted a few over the years to the earlier models and this is how I do it.

    The amplifiers in Elf/Eiki projectors do blow and I will also tell you how to stop that happening to yours for what is usually the main reason, at least in my experience.

    The first thing to do is remove the back cover as it will give you better sight of where you will be working. Remove the flywheel and the amplifier all Phillips screws and two plugs to clear. Remove the amplifier and give it a wipe over as it will probably be covered with dirt. On the side you will see a Jack Plug Socket to unscrew. Be careful as it sits very near components at its rear but it is possible to remove it without taking the whole circuit board out.
    You will see a un used terminal on the socket this is you + terminal connection to solder a wire onto. The - is at the front typically a green wire.
    Solder some decent speaker wire onto it I used a short length of QED laying around.

    Now then. Before you rush to refit the Jack socket wrap a short length of insulation tape round the terminals to project against shorting. Also bend the small mounting plate slightly forwards by hand before refitting the jack socket. Elf made a bit of a design flaw here as over the years of a plug being usually over pushed it bends the plate back and shorts the Jack terminals on electrical components very near to the terminals. You will see what I mean if you tackle the job.
    When the socket is refitted reassemble feeding the cable in a clear path away from moving components.

    You will need to choose a suitable internal speaker and where you want to locate it. I usually glue it in the top of the rear cover and solder it up. Leave time for glue to set and this avoids spoiling the case and is reversible if you ever have to change to a different speaker.

    Of course when you plug in a external speaker it will mute the new internal one and its a relatively easy upgrade to one of the older machines such as this RM. I've yet to fit the new speaker in as I'm still finishing the rebuild but I will add a picture when complete.

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    I may pop a split photo Diode in this one for Stereo on newer prints but that's for another day..
    Last edited by Lee Mannering; May 13, 2020, 08:23 AM.

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    Got myself a nice oval speaker glued in place with a frequency response 130-20,000 and suitable watt for the job so only to solder the wires on and finished. We shall get her in steam sometime this week to fully soak test the project.

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    • #3
      > I may pop a split photo Diode in this one for Stereo on newer prints

      There is no optical stereo on 16mm prints. What looks like stereo is actually the same mono on both tracks, there is a technical term for that type if soundtrack, which I don't remember at the moment.

      In the 1980's, AMC Theatres experimented with Analog optical Dolby Stereo 16mm, and both Eiki and Elmo made stereo pedestal projectors, but as far as I know, none of the 16mm prints from that short lived experiment escaped into the wild.

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      • #4
        The twin tracks were to reduce azumith errors in the main I seem to remember on 16. I'll still fit the twin diode tho as this is my latest project and I will gain twin lines for the digital converter yet to go in. A projectionist friend did his bell & howell which was interesting.


        The barn find is now pretty complete speaker fitted and soldered so today I make up a 25mm lens unit for the old girl.

        Update: Stripped down a old Elf lens and sleeved in a suitable lens for that shorter throw bigger picture so that's about it for now. Probably run a few films once the matt black paint has dried around it.

        Over the years collecting projectors and restoring them to a former glory if I find andy film clippings inside I retain a piece and tape it inside the back cover. For me its nice to have a small memory of the previous owner who enjoyed the machine. In this Elf from a farm I kept a small piece of straw in the back cover.
        The things we do as enthusiasts.

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        Last edited by Lee Mannering; May 19, 2020, 05:23 AM.

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        • #5
          This picture just about wraps this project up and we have soak tested the projector and now given a show as well with one of our farm yard pals on screen, Steve the Horse no less. Fitting as this machine came from a farm barn.

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          • #6
            The mono sound track which looks like a stereo track is called a Mono Dual Bilateral.


            Maurice

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            • #7
              And the stereo dual bilateral

              Hope you are keeping well Maurice and dont forget Steve

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              • #8
                I upset my daughters when I tell them that I'm still alive.


                Maurice

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                • #9
                  Its great to hear about this old barn find coming back to life!

                  It would be nice to put the subject of stereo prints on 16mm to bed for ever, rather than hear speculations. I have sometimes seen mentions, even on this forum, of such and such a print with stereo. Perhaps if someone actually does have something in their collection, a scan of the film would be much appreciated by many I expect, as proof of the formats existence.

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                  • #10
                    I should have took a picture before I started really but hey ho it's nice to see it done and going full pelt.

                    I seem to have missed the stereo debate of old but not to worry just so long as we can project beloved British 30's animation the likes of Steve the horse.

                    Dont get dragged into lengthy is it or isn't it debates I would rather have a S8 camera in my hands creating something or projecting various gauges enjoying my free time. Life can be so short

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