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    As far as I know, the only US company who released them was Ken Films, but silent, and often in B&W. I see Techo Films released some, always from non-US sellers. The rare times I've seen screenshots, there was a lot of fade.

    I think Deran released a handful, but only post-Golden Age. Ken films were restricted to pre-1948 AAPs.

    Can anyone recommend (regarding image quality, especially the color) the best releases in Super 8 sound on color stock other than Eastman? Golden Age, pre and post 1948 -- preferably the latter. Preferably Bugs and The Road Runner. The ones WB held onto after the sale to APP were on the whole better and the ones that wound up on the various incarnations of THE BUGS BUNNY & ROADRUNNER SHOW. ("On with the show - this is it!")

    I have exactly one in my collection -- unknown manufacturer -- and it's a colorized B&W Daffy Duck -- THE IMPATIENT PATIENT. I've had it for like 30 years and only discovered a few years ago it was supposed to be in B&W. It was supposedly hand-colored, and of course they reduced the number of unique frames down from 24 per second. They did that to some Betty Boops, too. (I almost bought MINNIE THE MOOCHER recently in Super 8 from Ivy until I found out they cut out Cab Calloway in the colorized version!) For Popeye, it didn't happen until the computer-colorized age, I think.

    I've seen some Niles releases of a handful of PD ones from AAP.

  • #2
    Hi!

    UFA released many of them in color and with German soundtrack:
    http://www.super8rezensionen.de/rezent-d.htm
    Many of them still have great colors (due to being released on Agfa filmstocks), but not all (thanks to Kodak). I also fear that they have been edited.

    There have also been prints from France, Italy and Spain. But I don’t remember the companies. Sorry. (And many of the Italian prints are now greenish/brownish.)

    Good luck!

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    • #3
      I think that some of the Derann prints on LPP or Agfa, made from the Techno negatives they aquired are some of the best Super 8 prints I have seen. Especially "Sahara Hare" and "Buckaneer Bunny".

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      • #4
        Direct links to scans from Ken Films catalogs with Looney Toons and the „length information“:

        1970:
        http://www.super8rezensionen.de/ken70-03.jpg

        http://www.super8rezensionen.de/ken70-06.jpg

        1972:
        http://www.super8rezensionen.de/ken72-04.jpg
        ​​http://www.super8rezensionen.de/ken72-07.jpg

        In the other, later scans on that website, the Looney Toons are missing while e.g. Heckle&Jeckle or Mighty Mouse are still listed?! Did Ken lose the distribution rights in the middle of the 1970s?

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        • #5
          It depends on your definition of Looney Tunes. If you are talking about the general series the bulk from 1930 to the early 1940s were mainly all black and white and as you say mainly issued in US.

          If it is characters Bugs Bunny would be the most populous (apt for a rabbit) with about 50 to 60 releases with the world and its mother putting out titles Techno Derann Movieland IE etc.

          I would suspect in numbers Tweety & Sylvester would be next, with Fog Horn, Daffy Duck, Pork Pig and Elmer Fudd.

          The Super 8 database would be a good guide to search.

          https://super8database.com/distributors/

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          • #6
            Derann‘s former webpage with their Looney cartoons:
            https://web.archive.org/web/20050216.../derann/8e.php

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            • #7
              Red Fox Films in the US released some top notch Looney tunes, made from excellent print sources, one of which comes to mind, "Gruesome Twosome", with an image quality any 16mm collector would be proud to have. Hollywood Films in LA released some pretty good titles with decent quality. Techno, thankfully, released the post 1948 releases, where the US released almost exclusively the pre 1948 releases.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mike Newell View Post
                It depends on your definition of Looney Tunes. If you are talking about the general series the bulk from 1930 to the early 1940s were mainly all black and white and as you say mainly issued in US.

                If it is characters Bugs Bunny would be the most populous (apt for a rabbit) with about 50 to 60 releases with the world and its mother putting out titles Techno Derann Movieland IE etc.

                I would suspect in numbers Tweety & Sylvester would be next, with Fog Horn, Daffy Duck, Pork Pig and Elmer Fudd.

                The Super 8 database would be a good guide to search.

                https://super8database.com/distributors/
                Thanks. Looney Tunes == Looney Tunes, Merrie Melodies. I'm using the definition that Warner used for their DVD/Blu-Ray releases over the last couple of decades.
                Last edited by Brian Harrington; October 07, 2024, 08:51 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Joerg Polzfusz View Post
                  Hi!

                  UFA released many of them in color and with German soundtrack:
                  http://www.super8rezensionen.de/rezent-d.htm
                  Many of them still have great colors (due to being released on Agfa filmstocks), but not all (thanks to Kodak). I also fear that they have been edited.

                  There have also been prints from France, Italy and Spain. But I don’t remember the companies. Sorry. (And many of the Italian prints are now greenish/brownish.)

                  Good luck!
                  English soundtracks would be a requirement for me. Thanks.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Brian Fretwell View Post
                    I think that some of the Derann prints on LPP or Agfa, made from the Techno negatives they aquired are some of the best Super 8 prints I have seen. Especially "Sahara Hare" and "Buckaneer Bunny".

                    Yes -- 2 choice titles. I'll keep an eye out.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Joerg Polzfusz View Post
                      Direct links to scans from Ken Films catalogs with Looney Toons and the „length information“:

                      1970:
                      http://www.super8rezensionen.de/ken70-03.jpg

                      http://www.super8rezensionen.de/ken70-06.jpg

                      1972:
                      http://www.super8rezensionen.de/ken72-04.jpg
                      ​​http://www.super8rezensionen.de/ken72-07.jpg

                      In the other, later scans on that website, the Looney Toons are missing while e.g. Heckle&Jeckle or Mighty Mouse are still listed?! Did Ken lose the distribution rights in the middle of the 1970s?
                      Thanks -- interesting to see. But all silent.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Joerg Polzfusz View Post
                        Derann‘s former webpage with their Looney cartoons:
                        https://web.archive.org/web/20050216.../derann/8e.php
                        Great info -- thanks.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Osi Osgood View Post
                          Red Fox Films in the US released some top notch Looney tunes, made from excellent print sources, one of which comes to mind, "Gruesome Twosome", with an image quality any 16mm collector would be proud to have. Hollywood Films in LA released some pretty good titles with decent quality. Techno, thankfully, released the post 1948 releases, where the US released almost exclusively the pre 1948 releases.
                          Thanks -- I'll keep an eye out for those.

                          Regarding 16mm, there doesn't seem to be as many for sale as you'd think. Some are faded, too. Any one with decent color people are trying to sell for $200 to $300, sometimes more. For a 6-7 minute cartoon! Most will be AAP since Warner kept the post 1948 ones for their network shows -- prime time and Saturday mornings. Not sure if they were printed on 16mm or not -- and if so they would be a half hour or hour of THE BUGS BUNNY SHOW and similar incarnations with Tweety and The Road Runner -- with replaced titles and wrap-arounds. And yes there are many good AAP ones, of course, but in my mind the bulk of the classics came later.

                          This is a case where shiny discs are actually preferable, since it would take a King's ransom to assemble anything more than a modest collection of Looney Tunes on film with non-faded color. And you don't even need shiny discs since virtually all of the LT shorts are available in HD for free if you know where to look on the web! (archive.org)

                          I'd still like to get a handful with great color on Super 8, English sound.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Brian Harrington View Post

                            English soundtracks would be a requirement for me. Thanks.
                            At least the roadrunner cartoons don’t have any different soundtracks as it‘s just „meep meep“, followed by a „Kaboom!!!“ or „Crash!!!“. However, the closing and opening titles differ.

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                            • #15
                              Originally it was AAP's own 8mm division that released their films to the Standard 8mm market. They put out a number of them in color/sound, a practiced discontinued when it switched to United Artists 8, and then later by Ken Films.

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                              "In brilliant EASTMAN COLOR!"

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