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  • Changing ELMO Sound Heads (ST-800, and others, too!)

    Note: This is about replacing the sound heads in one particular Elmo ST-800, but there is no reason these ideas can’t apply to other machines, especially Elmo ones.

    So this thing happened. (These stories always start with some-thing happening!). -and I had to replace my soundhead, it turned out to be a process. Stay with me a while and I’ll tell you the tale!

    I got two 400 footers off E-Bay a few months ago: Sunday River Productions’ N&W Articulateds - Class Y6 Part 1 and Part 2. These are prints of films shot in the 1950s of immense Norfolk and Western steam locomotives hauling long coal trains in the high mountains of Western Virginia. These started out as 16mm Kodachromes. The bonus is these were very late Sunday River Productions S8 prints and they were starting to feel the heat from those new VCRs then in the stores, so they bought rights to really good quality sound recordings of the same type of locomotives and dubbed sound tracks where silents would have been good enough a few years earlier These are beautiful prints: from the cuts of the two leaders, I’d say they were never projected before they arrived here.

    My standard Super-8 setup is two Elmo ST-800s. These are nice, simple machines that I’ve learned to trust. The 100W lamp is adequate for my screen, the sound is very good monaural and for easily 90% of my Super-8 viewing they get the job done very well.

    That night, I worked from the right: ST-800 #2 got part 1, ST-800 #1 got part #2. Part 1 was awesome: wonderful color, sharp image, booming sound.

    Then I rolled Part 2...and…something happened! I kept getting these dropouts in audio level. It would be entirely normal, and then all of a sudden get very quiet, for a time and it would randomly bounce up and down in level.

    Being very human, I reached the most hopeful conclusion to the question “print or machine?”. I chose “print with bad stripe”. -no big deal: it’s just one print among many and frankly Part 1 was similar enough that losing part 2 wasn’t tragic!

    -much better than a wounded projector!.....-Right?!

    So I had a theory and the way to prove it (-or not…) was move the “bad” print to a known good machine and see if the bad sound followed. Part 2 went to ST-800#2…and sounded just…fine…oh…no!

    ST-800 #1 is my original Elmo sound projector. It first came on-line for me Christmas, 2003 (-gift from my wife!). The entire sound system in there was transplanted in 2009, when the original one died. This replacement system had been working steadily for me 15 years and wasn’t new to begin with.

    I took a look at the record/playback head. There was a valley worn in it in the direction of film flow. Next to it, there was a ridge and then an unworn surface over to the opposite edge.

    Now, I suppose this could have also been some intermittency in the amplifier, but other prints I have since played on this machine were just fine. It felt like some deadly combination of that one machine and that one print, and the only place that a print meets the sound system is the head. Maybe the stripe on that print was skewed a little towards that ridge worn in the playback head and kept on climbing up and falling off it, losing consistent contact. Tiny fractions of a millimeter can do a lot of harm here!

    Still being very human, I went with Denial: “I’ll just avoid pairing that print and that machine. Everything will be fine!”

    -until the day another print that had been fine up until then had the exact same problem.

    I felt kind of sad about it: I had to break the twins up! I couldn’t trust #1 anymore. #2 soldiered on alone, bravely!

    Over the years I’ve installed a new set of guides in #1. I replaced the entire sound system, and I installed a new motor. I also replaced the switch that controls the lamp. It wasn’t so great at the very beginning, but I’ve made it better and better. As a result, it’s been a go-to machine for years. It’s been on vacation with me a few times and to CineSea a bunch more times. When I started building my external sound system, this was the machine I built it around. It has history with me and in the end, for just a piece of machinery, we’ve had almost a “partnership”. I really didn’t want to see this one become just another parts machine!

    I wanted to figure out how to replace that worn head, but I had other priorities: family, job, cars, house, etc.). -so I put it in the travel case and gave it a rest for a while.

    Around Christmas I started to think about it again: it came down to fixing the head then installed or replacing it entirely.

    Other film collectors have shown me a lot of kindness over the years. More than once, I’ve been at CineSea, and some goodhearted soul handed me a dead projector which I could use for parts. Yes: this cleared out some of their own junk, but it gave me parts to do repairs: It’s gotten me out of trouble a number of times.

    I looked among my on-hand ST-800 wreckage. There was this one machine that looked like it’s been pillaged by Vikings, but the record/playback head was simply pristine! It seems like early-on this one was involved in some tragedy and the owner decided to shelve it. Normal wear items like guides and the heads looked a lot better than you’d expect from outer appearances: as a matter of fact, they looked very good! (-some might even say “like new”!)

    I decided I wanted to bring in the new heads and connect-up to the existing sound circuitry, but how? Maybe I could connect the wiring from the heads where it landed on the sound board (-the board where the volume/tone control and record switch are), but there would be a lot of disassembly/reassembly involved and therefore greater risk that something else could get damaged. I also hate soldering on ancient PC boards: too often, they don’t come out of it intact. I needed a better plan, especially as an opening act. (Let’s not start out doing something that feels desperate!)

    I took off the loop restorer and found the connections at the back of the two heads (record/playback and erasure) and saw this underneath:
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    -just solder connections: I can deal with that! The only thing better would have been some kind of plug-in connection, but this was still an easy enough connection to break and re-make.

    It’s important to stop here and consider exactly what’s needed when changing out a sound head. These are two terminal devices, so it’s natural to think “Just unscrew and replace the old heads, then solder in the new ones and it will be fine.”, but it’s just NOT that simple! There is a very critical spatial relationship between the head and the sound stripe so that the head can pick up the stripe’s tiny magnetic field variation and make a usable electrical signal for the pre-amp and amp to amplify to become sound in our ears. These sound heads were aligned at the factory, probably with procedures and tools that we don’t have access to, that may not even exist these days. Elmo discarded even things like manuals when they stopped making film projectors: the idea that a box of alignment jigs is in Tokyo in somebody’s desk drawer, especially someone who understands what they are, is not at all promising in 2025.

    I’ve heard tales of people trying to do a simple head swap that never get this re-alignment correct. As a result, they never get good sound out of the replaced head. I won’t go there! It’s a waste of otherwise good parts, maybe even the death of a once-fixable machine. (Too many “parts machines” are a BAD omen!)

    So, it's not enough to simply transplant in a new set of heads: their alignment needs to be transplanted in too. Fortunately there is a way. The heads mount on a metal plate. This plate also holds the film guides below the gate around the heads all the way to the lower sprocket. It holds the presser too. This plate is held onto the chassis by a couple of machine screws. By unsoldering the pins from the wiring that connects to them and removing those screws, the whole thing can be lifted out as a unit and a new one installed.
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    Removed mounting plate for soundheads, guides and head-presser
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    Closeup of removed soundheads showing solder terminals
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    Sometimes people long for the days back before cellphones. In many instances they do have a point, but these are great when doing a project like this: I like to take a lot of pictures so things end up exactly the way Elmo started them.

    Before I started demolition here, I’d compared the two sets of heads and their signal connections: everything looked identical. It was time to get going for real.

    I uninstalled the “bad” plate and the “good” plate from where they started out. I just held a hot soldering iron on the wires until they let loose and held them back with a small pair of needle-nose pliers until the solder cooled. I literally hid the “bad” one away as soon as it was loose. It could get re-installed in the good machine by mistake: stranger things have happened!
    Last edited by Steve Klare; January 14, 2025, 07:59 PM.

  • #2
    There was a respectable collection of tiny hardware gathering here that I wanted to keep contained in some sensible order, so I got this useful item from the Junk Drawer:
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    (Those of us over forty will know exactly what this thing is!)


    I used it with a lined notepad and wrote bizarre things like “Monday AM: loop restorer screws”. (-strangest schedule, ever!) “Monday PM” can never store a screw or a washer, but then again it can never hold pills either! (This case is considered “film equipment” now! Thanks be for the Junk Drawer!)

    It was time to start preparing the playing field. I was going to be waving around a hot soldering iron, which is a definite risk to plastic parts like the framing knob, which sits right on edge of the battlefield! -so I took it off and found it a “day and time” in the pill case.

    The shaft for the flywheel pokes through the plate and forces it to stay in place, but I wanted the new plate to sit further away from the connections than usual to gain some room to solder. I decided to take the entire flywheel assembly out of the machine. (I’d already removed the film roller and the screw that holds it and found them their own day and time…) There are two flathead screws on the chassis which are normally covered up by the plate, and two pan-head screws on the bracket going down to the chassis at the other end. With these removed, the flywheel assembly slips out on the speaker side of the chassis.

    It's just one less thing making life difficult while soldering the wires. Making things easier helps produce better quality work.

    Now comes the serious part…

    Before the fact, I’d tinned the wires and the pins on the two heads with a little solder. If I had it to do again, I might have applied a little flux, but I didn’t have any at home and was too emotionally involved with making progress to go out and buy some! (It turned out fine…It would just have been easier.)

    I laid the “good” plate on the “good” chassis in preparation for final soldering the wires to the heads. I figured that this was at minimum a four-hand operation: one to hold the iron, one to apply the solder, one to hold the plate in place, and one to hold the wires in place with the pliers until the solder froze up.

    I ran a quick inventory: I only have two hands! (Feet don’t count…too far away from the work!)

    I recruited my son (22 years old) as two of the hands. I found out in the process that he can solder! (I didn’t know this! Maybe there IS hope for this Generation!)

    -One wire at a time, with a picture of what it’s supposed to look like printed out on the counter. Do one thing, do it right, check the work and then move on to the next thing. -no distractions, no hurry, no shame in doing it over to make it better.

    I thanked him for his help and then screwed the new plate down to the chassis.

    Now, I hate to fully assemble something I’m repairing before I test it, only to find out I need to take it apart again, so I test whatever I can with it partially rebuilt.

    I plugged the machine in and turned on the audio. I ran the volume up and down and heard normal Elmo hum and hiss from the internal speaker! I’d been concerned about some mismatch between the new playback head and the existing amp and dreaded some shriek pouring out the speaker when I turned the amp up: myth busted! (-first time I’d tried this: who knew?)

    I hadn’t restored the lower guide I’d removed, and I had no flywheel installed, so I wasn’t ready to run a real film just yet, but even then there was a way to test the new head.
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    This is a tape head demagnetizer wand: it supplies an alternating magnetic field to randomize and eliminate the unwanted residual field within a sound head. The iron-clad rule for using this thing is “NEVER, EVER operate a demagnetizer with the amplifier turned on!”.

    -yet NOT today! We are going to improvise! (It’s what got Apollo 13 home!)

    Just for now, we’re going to call this doodad an “Audio Frequency Magnetic Field Source” and we ARE going to operate it with the projector audio turned on! (Please! -nobody tell my Shop Teacher that I used a tool in a way that enthusiastically violated the operating instructions! I’m looking forward to retirement: I can’t repeat 7th grade Shop at this age!)

    So, I set the volume at a normal level and I passed the demagnetizer fairly-close by the playback head (-no closer than a hand-width away: this is a pretty strong field). I was rewarded with this sound coming from the speaker:
    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm"​​


    -as the wand got closer and then further away from the new head. This is exactly what I was hoping to hear. Under the circumstances, this felt personally rewarding, so I did it a bunch of times, fast!waba!waba!waba!waba!”….“Ahhhh!.…Sound!!!”.

    The head was picking up the magnetic field, passing the electrical signal to the amp, which was amplifying it and pushing it out the speaker! (Things were looking UP!)

    Then I unplugged the machine and demagnetized the heads per the official instructions! (Maybe I won’t need to repeat Shop after all!)

    After that, I got the pill case: grabbed a bunch of tiny screws and other small parts, and I fully reassembled the projector.

    Up until now, the whole theory with the worn-out old playback head was just my own hunch. It was still possible that I’d try it for real and walk away disappointed: exactly where I’d started. This has happened sometimes: just a stop in an involved, even painful journey towards figuring out what’s actually gone wrong. Here and there, I even have to give up: you simply can’t win ‘em all!

    -but we were now at “so far, so good!” Time to test this thing out with film in order to let ST-800 #1 rejoin the show. (-hopefully!)

    I found a print I didn’t care a lot about (-very red…), ran it and then ran it again: watched and listened carefully both times. The sound was fine and it picked up no scratches on screen (I had changed the film path, so I needed to check for damage due to those new guides and the installation of the new plate.).

    We were now ready to get even more daring!

    A lot of good stories come full circle: they confront and resolve the original conflict where it first started. Dorothy and Toto had to return to Kansas, MacArthur had to come back to the Philippines. Napoleon never got back to Waterloo: see how that worked out for him?! Whether this one is a good story or not, N&W Articulateds - Class Y6, Part 2HAD to return to Elmo ST-800 #1!

    It did just that over the weekend, and this time sound and image were BOTH excellent! (I enjoyed this film a lot more than most times, and for more than the usual reasons!)

    (-Case Closed!)

    Where to from here?
    Well, for one thing, since I’ll have to wear all the heads out in every one of my mag-sound machines someday, shouldn’t I be doing what I can to slow the process? I’m investigating the idea of applying a lubricant to the heads. Out on the ‘net, there is a lot of passionate back and forth about this among the Reel to Reel Tape Deck Community (-kindred folks to us!). I’m going to think about it a while, at the very least do nothing irreversible!

    I still have the old plate and heads. There are places that re-lap sound heads, usually for vintage audio tape recorders. I’m going to investigate whether or not this thing can be restored. There is no harm in having a usable spare, especially if the price is right. (There is also no harm in asking questions, even if they say “no”.)
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    Norfolk and Western Locomotive, Class Y6…sounds really great…Again!

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    • #3
      Well done Steve, a very bold repair job on your part! But how satisfying to have a very successful fix of this great projector. I know that feeling very well!

      I suspect that the surface quality of super 8 stripe is probably like sand paper in comparison to audio tape, so any film lubrication would be beneficial to sound head life. I have often thought that splices could be damaging to sound heads as well.
      Last edited by Paul Adsett; January 15, 2025, 09:47 AM.

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      • #4
        Thanks Paul!

        What I want people to take away from this is that as long as you can solder (or find someone who can), and you can find the replacement part, it really wasn't that bad! If I'd known this, it probably wouldn't have taken so long.

        That much being said: it's just one of those things that became "fun" after the fact. I seriously doubt I'd have done these posts if they ended with "I unplugged it, threw it in the kitchen sink and put out the fire with the sprayer. -now I owe my wife another table cloth plus the broken dishes!". Stories like this just don't uplift the spirits!

        As for my son: he was born in 2002: can figure out what's wrong with a cellphone by holding it to his cheek and closing his eyes! () He's my own resource when the thing is causing ME grief!

        -but I do my best to drag him backwards into the 20th century! I've worked on cars with him, he can thread up a movie projector, and now we have soldered! (For Heaven's Sake: he knows who Bing Crosby was!)

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