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  • Bolex 18-5 Fixing Tips for Switch and return to working order

    I had a Bolex 18-5 for some time and recently determined to press it into service and sort out various problems, and I am sharing this experience.

    The first problem was the lamp failed to light in either the forward or reverse positions.

    The second problem was the shutter blades were stuck, and the clever mechanism to swap nine to three blades failed to work, the three weights were stuck.

    Also the metal ring behind the airflow cowl had got unstuck sometime, and collided with the fan and thus distorted some blades.

    Otherwise generally tidy and working. The foam sealing round the plug sockets at the rear had disintegrated and were replaced with draught excluder after some treatment to the rust residue, access for this task is easier after the removal of the cowl. The belts are in good condition. The fuse needed a clean to remove oxidation.

    The shutter blades were flushed with some lighter fuel to dissolve the sticky substance holding everything solid. It looked as though it might have been WD40, or some other spray lubricant. My guess is that the shutter runs dry, with some tiny trace of lubricant at the centre – (Happy to be corrected here). Pleased to hear the familiar tick of the shutter weights flying out when the motor starts up at 18 fps, and retreat to the ‘parked’ position when the projector runs at 5 fps. A clever solution to change the shutter for flicker-free projection at 18 and 5 fps.

    The bulb still failed to light after the contacts on the bulb holder were cleaned, and of course the bulb tested on the Cinovid. The switch is not easy to see inside, and the soldered wire connections on the back face visible to the extent of the short wiring looked clean and tidy. I could hear the switch blocks flipping over as the switch was moved. Time to take it apart…

    It is possible to separate the front part of the switch from the rear paxolin plate carrying the wire connections, held in place with 5 screws (with 5 short spacers), and then possible to get to the plate with the mechanism that flips the contact blocks over from one side to the other, (from one set of contacts to the other) and it was possible to investigate the problem with the lamp contacts. These pairs of contacts are paired with the 'room lamp connection' (provided the right adaptor plug is available!) and I discovered one of the small contact pieces was stuck fast to the nylon block and this tiny lack of movement was enough for the contact piece to fail to meet the contact pin on the round paxolin piece where the wires are soldered. Also the general assembly was thick with some sticky lubricant (WD40?) that seemed similar to the stuff holding the shutter stuck. After cleaning with cotton buds and topical application of lighter fuel to carefully un-stuck the contact strip, and so allowed it to feel and behave like the other strips on the other nylon contact 'flippers'.

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    The working of the switch ‘flippers’ can be checked with the switch plate separated from the back plate. Care needed to ensure the lamp and room light set of contacts lines up to the top of the switch and the aluminium face plate, and note the circular printed plate with the voltages is not fixed and can rotate so make sure you have some reference to keep it in the right place, or the voltage selection will be out or register.

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    Re-assembly is a matter of patience to line everything up, and manoeuvre the spacers into position, and then test before fitting the switch assembly back to the projector bulkhead. Make sure the switch is in the off position when refitting, to ensure the pin locates in the correct place to engage the lever on the bulkhead for the slow running clutch.

    If the nylon blocks flip-flop across snappily and all contacts are clean and shiny, including the ones on the paxolin plate, all should be good. I did not want to take the glowing knob off the shaft, and disassemble the switch mechanism and I could see springs and tiny parts flying into space never to be found.

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  • #2
    Great post Chris! Repair and cleaning of the Bolex 18-5 switch is a frequently raised problem on this forum. As far as I know, your post is the first to provide a detailed technical answer.
    Your post should also be posted on the Technical Section of this forum (sticky thread at top of the page) where all technical problems are stored. Post it there and Doug will repost it in the Bolex section of the index/.

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    • #3
      Chris,

      Thanks so much for posting this. I've done as Paul suggested and posted a link to this thread in our Tech Topic Index.

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      • #4
        How does the main function handle come off of the shaft? Because I have a working projector (I think!) that is missing the handle...and I have a parts machine (with a handle) too.

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        • #5
          Hi Jay

          I think it is held with a pin which is a tight fit and will need an appropriate drift, and support as the pin is driven out. I have not done this as I had no need to remove the knob, which I think then allows the switch to fall into bits. I took the whole assembly as a single piece and just separated the back plate to access the contacts. The flipping parts were working well enough not to need to be disturbed.

          Hope this explains...

          Thanks


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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jay Schwartz View Post
            How does the main function handle come off of the shaft? Because I have a working projector (I think!) that is missing the handle...and I have a parts machine (with a handle) too.
            Perhaps just swap the whole switch part over, you can follow my example and detach the switch assembly from the paxolin circular plate with the wire connectors, there is just enough slack on the wires passing through the bulkhead once the three screws are removed from the switch housing, and the switch assembly with the flipping contacts comes off the other side of the housing, and you can swap over.

            This must be a better solution to trying to remove the pin, keeping the switch in order, and replacing on the other. You can clean the contacts at the same time, and get everything working again.

            Hope this is making sense, I am sorry I did not thing to take more photos in a step by step sequence which would have been more help to you.

            Let me know if I ca help further...

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            • #7
              Chris, this is a great post that will help many people who own an 18-5! I've had many over the years, and I am now down to owning two. The original 18-5, and the later Super 8 version! They are a great running machine, and mostly simply to work on. But the one issue that has plagued some of these machines is that switch. I've never had this issue personally, but if I do in the future, I'll have a good guide to handle this myself. Kudos for sharing your work here, and knowledge!

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              • #8
                Shane, thank you...
                I wish I had taken more photo to illustrate each step...

                You will note I also have my father's Eumig P8, and the later acquired Leitz Cinovid and a Eumig Mark 502D Projector given to me I think.

                The Leitz is very quiet and smooth, will run at 18 and 24 fps, but really needs the original flat belt for trouble free running. The round belts are prone to slipping on the motor shaft when the main drive shaft (with the shutter wheel - 3 blades) stops just as the claw mechanism is starting to move against the spring loading, and the extra power required to start and overcome the extra load on the shutter plate due to the claw spring just causes the motor shaft to spin, with a lack of grip on the available round belts. It needs a twist on the inching knob at the front to get it going. If the shaft stops in another position (not against the spring pressure) the motor will have enough grip the round belt and once moving the speed will carry through the spring load. You can feel the spring pressure on the inching shaft if you move through the whole cycle. The belt tension can be increased with a spacer between the belt tension spring and the arm, but this is not fool proof as the belt will still slip as mentioned, and of course adds more sideways force on the motor bearing.

                No such problems with the Bolex 18-5, which always starts and runs very smoothly and quietly. The slow run clutch and reverse mechanism is a fine clever design, as indeed is the shutter, provided it is not stuck up with a spray lubricant. The bulbs on the Bolex and Leitz (and the Mark 502D) are the problem, both using the so called 'spaceman' 8v 50w CXL.

                The P8 speed rheostat will cause the film to stall in the gate when slowing the speed for slow-motion, causing a burnt frame, and needs care in operating to maintain the momentum of the film through the gate but it is tempting to see just how slow you can go, and oops, the film stalls! I may fit a piece of something to prevent the speed slide control from moving rearwards to the point of stalling to provide fail-safe operating.
                Anyone come across this on the P8, and any solutions please?
                I think later models in the P8 were different, and had some solution here?

                Thanks

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