Eumig S 807 D (revisited)

[Richard Kemp]

Hi,

This post relates to an earlier one:

https://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-b...c;f=1;t=007816

My lab is not transferring to digital just now, because it's their busy season, so I thought I'd try to transfer cine to dv myself.

I hit the 16.67fps sweet-spot on the Eumig, but it wandered, so you'd get several seconds of clear transfer, then a slow strobe would set in.

Now, when I left this topic, I had a governor-wheel inside the Eumig which would not turn. It still doesn't turn.

Also, the 'flag' inside the Eumig is where it always was, because I still don't know if I can use the alternative setting in the UK.

Further thoughts please?

Thank you.

[Joseph Banfield]

Yes, you should be using the 50hz flag because you are in a 50hz country. But I doubt it makes a difference regarding transferring the film though as it is always going to wander off. There are no governors in Eumig 800 series machines unless you installed one yourself. There are only rubber discs and gears.

[Richard Kemp]

Many thanks.

No governors - so what is the fly-wheel for please?

Page 8 of the manual advises "to allow the flywheel speed to stabilise".

I would presume a fly-wheel stabilised speed, might address - in some measure - the Eumig's wandering away from any particular desired fps rate?

[Joseph Banfield]

The flywheel is only for keeping the sound steady during playback. The slight wandering of the fps is not something you can make rock steady on a Eumig Mark S machine. There will always be some slight drift in fps no matter what you do. To do what you want to do would require a telecine unit that captures each frame of the film like one of those Wolverine units that they sell.

[Brian Fretwell]

The only way to stabilise the speed would be not to use the internal motor but put a gear wheel on instead the inching knob and use an external motor, as I saw done with a three projector 8mm cinerama set up at a "Widex" many years ago. Really too much effort, I would think.

[David Strelitz]

Sadly MISINFORMATION here! Sorry guys,
If you are using the projector for telecine IN THE UK, the 60cs position in the picture is CORRECT as this allows the speed adjustment to move lower and allows you to hit the magic 16.667 - 16 2/3fps, which will be strobe free. IF the clutch wheel is clean and the brass drive not greasy, then once warmed up the drift will be minimal over several hours.
With a decent camera, you will get acceptable results.

[Richard Kemp]

~ for telecine IN THE UK, the 60cs position in the picture is CORRECT...

Thanks, but dang, I shifted it. Never mind, it can be shifted back.

The reels have gone off now to be frame-telecined, but I may have another go, at a later stage.

The mystery of the flywheel is solved. The Eumig has two 'go' positions, the 2nd one I never used, because it activated the halogen bulb, which I'd replaced with an independent bulb, with it's own switch, for transfers.

So ... when I hit go position No.2, the flywheel started turning, engaged with the film. That's taken decades to work out what was wrong with the flywheel: nothing.

I have made good transfers - on other projectors - in the mists of time, but it's getting to that 'can-do zone' which is so difficult.

Why would I persist?

Well, frame-by-frame technology is all very good, I rely on it now - labs do it - but you lose the mechanical vibe of cine film that way, for example, Super8 cartridges jostle about (a bit) in the cameras, I quite like that effect 👍

[Richard Kemp]

Thank gosh film has come back! 👍👍👍🎈