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Topic: ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST 400' MARKETING DIGEST
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Gerald Santana
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From: Cottage Grove OR
Registered: Dec 2010
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posted June 16, 2011 05:07 PM
ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST - MARKETING FILM/SUPER 8/COLOR/SOUND/330 FT.
As a collector, I am always looking for the "next" film to add to our regular screenings. The thrills and disappointment of winning and losing an auction from ebay, don't stop there. Once the arrival of the film comes in, at sunset...it's a showdown. Needless to say we were very excited to win this film, it is quickly becoming one of my favorite digests. Marketing released 'Once Upon a Time in the West' in 3 x 400' reels, this 400' selected scene edition and, a 200' selected scene edition was available as well.
Many have declared this film among their favorites; George Lucas, Martin Scorsese, Quentin Tarantino. Sergio Leone's masterpiece was widely panned by critics on it's release in the United States, largely due to it's re-editing and shorting by Paramount. The original film features many subplots while, the star of the film Claudia Cardinale opens the digest, most of the scenes, are based around the characters played by Henry Fonda, Charles Bronson and Jason Robards.
Bernardo Bertolucci, a film critic and intellectual, wrote the story and insisted the central character in the film appear as a woman. This Marketing Films release does a good job of putting together scenes that tell the story rather quickly, I wonder how critics would view this release, it is as long as the minutes that were cut from Paramounts version shown in theaters. The digest stays with you and haunts you, the pacing of the film was deliberate with long moments of silence followed by sudden eruptions of action or gunfire. The screenwriters watched and studied films like 'The Westerner' and 'The Searchers' meanwhile, this film was largely shot in Spain.
The pacing and close-ups are a trademark for Leone, in my digest for this film, there are nice colors allowing you to study the actors faces. While the rest of the film is fading, typical of a Marketing release, overall I'm surprised that there is color in the skin and sky. The opening Marketing Films logo suggest deep and rich colors, however the print itself is a little soft in some areas, sharper in others.
Fonda refused the role, later accepting he showed up to the set with brown contacts, Leone directed him to take them off at once. Prior to this film, Fonda was typecast for his roles as a 'good-guy', audiences were shocked and disturbed to see him as an unforgiving villain. There are many beautiful moments in this digest, accentuated in the cinematography using extreme close-ups of the characters faces.
Clint Eastwood was made an international star by Leone. He was Leone's first choice to play the mysterious character "Harmonica", but the part was given to Charles Bronson. It would be good to point out that this 400' print may not satisfy the fan who wishes to hear a film full of dialogue, there is very little and what is there, is hard to decipher sometimes. You need to see the film two or three times to get all of the lines, but when you do hear them, the digest tells the story in a condensed way...most of it is there.
There is a deep secret at the heart of this film, most of the mythology for this particular western was culled from previous movies. Leone only made 12 films, most of them westerns. 'Once Upon a Time in the West' has a superb musical score by Ennio Morricone, you will never forget it. This digest has a great artistic feel - if it misses on some values that collectors enjoy about Super 8, what ever they are. It's no secret we all want to see great color and hear booming sound, a well preserved copy of this film will deliver the goods, I was not disappointed.
The characters in this film are damaged, their pasts come back to haunt them in more ways than one. Life hangs by a hair trigger and the right moment for vengeance...all for the sake of progress. The film was a box office smash in Europe before word got out that it was hacked to pieces by Paramount in the U.S.. In it's original form, Once Upon a Time in the West is largely hailed as the greatest Western, ever. And in my opinion, one of the best selected scene digests available from Marketing, who redeemed the theatrical release, giving it a wider audience using an even shorter time frame to tell such a complicated story.
This review is dedicated in the memory of John Black. I wish I could have sent the cover of the box sooner - Alas, here it is for future collectors who may need it.
MORE SCREEN-SHOTS HERE.
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Gerald Santana
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From: Cottage Grove OR
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posted June 16, 2011 11:23 PM
Hi Winbert - You are correct, this is a review for the 400' digest, those Marketing stickers also mentioned 330ft. of actual footage, which is a bit confusing and mostly irritating that they did not include an extra 60 ft., that's 2.5 min screen time. I imagine they did it that way so that projectionists could include a trailer or something very short up front.
The copy I have has fair color, noted that it is typical of Marketing releases. There are 7 titles in our collection, and they all look about the same, some stronger in color than others. There's a nostalgic, washed out/softness to all of those Marketing Films that I have. I am also curious about the German prints, the 200' or the 3 x 400' versions for this film, it would be nice to collect those too.
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Osi Osgood
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posted June 18, 2011 01:14 PM
Good to hear! I've had much pleasure in writing numerous reviews on here (as you can plainly see from the "review index"), but it has always pained me that I have not been able to add screenshots to them.
Judging from that great close-up of Bronson's wonderfully chiseled face, (how would you like THAT emotionless mug staring you in a dark alley! talk about "Death Wish"!) the color is really quite good on that print and not off much at all.
I always thought that close-up of Henry Fonda there was quite comical, cigar hanging down. Cigars have always been kind of "symbolic" for something else (hint hint), and Bronson's naming of dead men always made me think that it made Fonda's characters certian "unmentionables" shrink and go limp, visually expressed by the "hanging cigar".
I've never read it anywhere concerning this film, but I have always wondered if that was what Leone was going for at that moment in that close-up?
-------------------- "All these moments will be lost in time, just like ... tears, in the rain. "
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Miko Studio
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From: Cottage Grove OR
Registered: Dec 2010
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posted April 29, 2012 08:37 AM
Now that is a surprise: my past just caught up with me when, out of sheer boredom, I googled my name and it came up on this forum, together with my businessname of some 35 odd years ago. At the time I was a student and I ran a little business importing and exporting 8mm films under the name of Miko Studio. And mr. Hugh Scott was one of my best customers!
I am struck by the fact that you, mr. Scott (can I say Hugh?) and so many others are still bitten by the movies-on-film bug. I have moved on from a Philips VCR 1500 in the seventies, to VHS, Laserdisc, DVD and now Blu-ray. Once you have experienced full HD Blu-ray on a 3 metres wide screen with 7 channel sound, there really no way back to Super 8. As a matter of fact: I just ran a side by side comparison of an Italian western (LE PISTOLE NON DISCUTONO) I still have on Super 8 and the DVD (not a Blu-ray) of this title. This turned out to be a shocker: the DVD, even projected at 5 metres wide, still showed a brigther, more defined picture than the Super 8 did at 1.20 metres. If I were to estimate the number of pixels of a Super 8 frame would make up I would say something like a 100.000; Blu-ray is more than 2.000.000!
It really puzzles me why one would spend hundreds of euros/dollars to obtain a movie on film, when it is readily available on DVD and Blu-ray at a fraction of the price and with far superior picture and sound. Is it the whirring of the projector? I had mine in a sound proof enclosure! So what makes watching a movie on film so special? Is it like having a classic car? Lots of maintenance and limited comfort but on a sunny day it may still get you where you want to go? I am really curious! I do have fond memories of the time Super 8 was the only way to see movies in the privacy and comfort of you home, but the days of analog projection are gone. To stay on topic (well, more or less): the excellent Blu-ray of ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST can be bought in the Netherlands for as little as 10 euros. Another 1000 euros will buy a Blu-ray player and a Full HD projector....
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Hugh Thompson Scott
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From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
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posted April 29, 2012 02:52 PM
Hello Miel,how nice to know you're still in "the film game" as it were,even though you're watching them on a different medium. The point about film collecting is that it is a living, breathing hobby that has many facets apart from collecting and screening film.For instance we've just been discussing the merits of various makers of cine spools/cans on a separate topic.I fully appreciate the plus points of DVD,as I have a collection of those too,but even discs have their fair share of problems, like blocking,freezing, pixilation etc.No I'm afraid I'm a film nut,true blue,dyed in the wool,accept no substitutes.Film is organic,can be cleaned, restored,edited(which can prove useful for diferent versions of the same title)Do you know I still have the films I got from you all those years ago,and still watch them.There is one of my reviews if you go to "A Fistful of Dollars"in the review section, of the superb cut down you obtained for me from Italy all those years ago.Regarding the comparisons between film and DVD, I can remember all the hype for video that was superior to film and how we would soon be relegated to history,Sony even brought out the 8mm video camera that was going to kill off once and for all the "film brigade",well video has bit the dust and we're still here and will be as long as our love of "film as it should be seen" lives on.Anyway give me a mail and let me know how you're getting on and it's great to hear from you.
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James N. Savage 3
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posted May 01, 2012 07:52 PM
While I can certainly understand the average person wanting everything "digital" (and there are many advantages), there's just a magic to film that I don't think can really be explained.
I was talking to a gentleman the other day (not particularly a film collecter), and even he said that there was a certain "cold" feel to digital, both audio and visual. Film, with all her problems, will always have a warmer feel to it. Even analog stereo recevers are gaining popularity again, probably for the same reasons.
I was in a high-tech store the other day and they were showing "The Sound of Music" on a huge screen. I believe it was on Blue Ray or HD, and it was so INCREDIBLY clear, it almost seemed I was looking out a window at real people! Call me crazy, but that look just didn't appeal to me, and I couldn't wait to get home and project it on super 8!!
Call me crazy .
James.
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