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Topic: WHAT IS THE BEST PROJECTOR?
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Hugh Thompson Scott
Film God
Posts: 3063
From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted June 18, 2012 07:50 AM
What you're saying is very true Lee,each to his own etc,but the
criteria of any projector must be 1; Not to damage film.
2;to be simple to maintain/clean. 3; Have a good light output.
4; To use a lamp that is easily obtainable and moderately priced.
5;good sound reproduction/volume. 6.Ability to remove film.
Any projector that harms film has committed the cardinal sin for
me,and I couldn't consider that machine as a collectors projector.
Consider the 16mm manual threads,like the old B/H 600 series
totally trustworthy and kind to filmstock,and I don't think anyone mentioned the BOLEX projectors,that like EUMIG are
very "filmworthy",and the early models built like tanks.
That's why I myself favour FUMEO, manual thread,no plastic
guides/tracks,all machined metal & rollers,even the soundheads
and optical lamp are all adjustable to ensure good repro.
I have the CHINON SS1200,EUMIG 932 & 934,GS1200,ST1200 bothM/O & HDs ,BOLEX SP80,EUMIG S807,VOIGTLANDER &
EUMIG S709 & MARK S STD 8MM MACHINES +various silent
machines.I have in the past had the Hanimex dual projectors
& PAUL PLUS proj.so I have had my share of machines.If ELMO
had only made their machines manual thread,they would be
the tops,they didn't,have damaged a lot of film so EUMIG I feel
are a better machine all round.
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Allan Broadfield
Master Film Handler
Posts: 452
From: Bromley, Kent
Registered: Nov 2010
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posted June 19, 2012 11:04 AM
Of all the 8mm projectors I've had since the fifties, the Bolex's, Elmo's, Norrises, Toeis', and some I can't recall, In my experience the most consistent in operation - even when dug out of the cupboard after some years, would be the old work horse; the Eumig. I've never had one that's scratched, and I have even heard of one being dropped down the stairs without damage(though wouldn't recommend).
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Hugh Thompson Scott
Film God
Posts: 3063
From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted June 19, 2012 11:28 AM
Well Alan,if you've had six GS's, that covers what I've been saying,
Fumeo's have I but one in use,and that is twenty years old at
least,bought secondhand and still performing.Why would you
have had six,glutton & punishment spring to mind.I have one
that I was given,have modernised it with extra rollers,but still
don't trust it to run a feature through it, Elmo's reputation goes
before it,although I've got to say the ST1200's were a dream
to use for the recording of tracks.My first GS spent half it's life
in transit,until enough was enough,and to the scrap it went.
As Allan said,one of his best was the old faithfull Eumig,my
old S709 is still showing my old std 8s and nary a mark to be seen and it was bought in 1971/2.Now that's reliability.
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Alan Rik
Film God
Posts: 2211
From: New York City, NY, USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted June 19, 2012 11:42 AM
Ha ha! Actually the reason I had six was that I purchased a few, sold a few, and then bought another few back. I sold my first GS1200-working perfectly-to fund a GS1200 Xenon. I had 3 of those at one time. I sold one to fund the other 2 but than I had to get a car..so I sold the next 2. Then I got another standard GS1200 and that one was new in the box. I sold that one to purchase another Xenon on Ebay but the seller never came through so I purchased another GS1200 which is what I am using now.
I feel pretty lucky that all the GS's that I have had were with minimal problems. If the Fumeo had stereo sound it would have made it better. You had to have that made from the factory as a build to order option which many didn't. Many of my films are re-recorded in Stereo and the sound for me is very important. The GS has fantastic sound and in Stereo! Don't get me wrong..I loved the manual thread of the Fumeo..they should all have had that wonderful ability..and the picture steadiness, micrometric focusing...very good...now if only the Eumig, Elmo, Beaulieu, Bauer, and Fumeo had a child! What a great child that would have been! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
I love them all!
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Paul Adsett
Film God
Posts: 5003
From: USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted June 19, 2012 12:39 PM
Can't argue about the superior reliability of the Eumig's - they just keep running- I've never had to do anything to mine in 30 years. The GS1200 is a great machine, no doubt about it, but its main reliability issue is the many micro-switches and relays used for the 'piano key' control. IMO the GS would have been a much more reliable machine without all that complex logic circuitry and they could have easily avoided all that if they had gone to a multi-position manual control knob like the ST or the Eumigs. After all, how much of an ordeal is it for an operator to turn a knob at the start of a movie? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) . But they tried to do everything on the GS, particularly the sync-pulse feature.
Like Hugh, I am always a little bit nervous about screening a valued print on my GS. Most of the time there is no problem and the film emerges scratch free. But once in a while, and for no apparent reason, it will scratch a film. With my Eumigs I can completely relax during projection, safe in the knowlege that they will never ever put a mark on my films.
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The best of all worlds- 8mm, super 8mm, 9.5mm, and HD Digital Projection,
Elmo GS1200 f1.0 2-blade
Eumig S938 Stereo f1.0 Ektar
Panasonic PT-AE4000U digital pj
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