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Berend De Meyer
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Thank you Jean-Pierre for sharing your info!

I tried the same using EaseUS SD Card Recovery on Mac OS X for my Somikon HD-XL. No luck retrieving any .JPG image from a scanned 8mm film.

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Did you see any .JPG files on your SD from a scanned 8mm film?

[ May 04, 2018, 04:41 AM: Message edited by: Berend De Meyer ]

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Jean-Pierre Labus
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I have used some recover file softwares
It is necessary to use a SD recover file software
example : ------------

http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/showpic.cgi?dir=uploads0503&file=Capture20180430-100939.jpg

http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/showpic.cgi?dir=uploads0503&file=8mmForum1.jpg

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Dino Motti
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So, just to clarify, you ran a scan from beginning to end, you took the card and put into a recovery program and managed to find data banks that had not been erased containing ALL the RAW JPG frames?

If you managed to do that it'd be just amazing!

Could you also post an example of a JPG to be able to check the quality of the image?

Thank you again so very much!

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Jean-Pierre Labus
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JPEG recovered details :

http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/showpic.cgi?dir=uploads0503&file=Capture20180502-041424combinnndnntails.jpg

It is not the way to recover movies.
It is necessary to use SWF recovered file to have RAW File result which can be used to be modify
by another video software

MP4 movie scanned#055 final REFLECTA file :
323.820 Ko
SWF Raw flash movie file :
1.278.617 Ko

I try to understand software details for:

System Volum Information
WPSettings.dat
IndexerVolumGuid

To avoid erase period of first Raw files at the final mp4 register on SD card.

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Mike Spice
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Reading the last couple of posts about exploring the memory card for jpg files has me riveted and excited.

keep up the amazing work, I wish I had the knowledge to contribute to this exciting development....

Crossing my fingers and toes for you...

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Dino Motti
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Indeed Mike, indeed! :-)

I cannot wait to try it myself... and if we managed to modify the software to skip the deletion of JPG and SWF raw files that would be amazing!

Great work!

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Berend De Meyer
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Hi all,

I got a reply from Winait - Richard - stating that they're not willing to give me the SDK for my Somikon HD-XL. Well at least I tried, but still very disappointing.

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Dan Esmond
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Indeed exciting if it pans out. I'm puzzled by the presence of a Flash file (SWF) since it seems to be an unnecessary intermediary between jpg and mp4, but maybe there is some reason for it.

Jean-Pierre can you please upload one of the recovered jpegs and also upload the swf to youtube so we can compare the compression artifacts with the mp4 file?

Thanks!

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Janice Glesser
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Jean-Pierre Labus can you clarify? Are you using the Reflecta or the Wolverine model scanner? You mention viewing files from the Reflecta SD card with the file recovery program. The Reflecta unit may have a different file structure than the Wolverine.

[ May 03, 2018, 06:12 PM: Message edited by: Janice Glesser ]

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Dino Motti
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Hi Janice, as far as I know the Reflecta is identical to the Wolverine and Somikon, it is just a branding/franchising issue, but you are right in saying there may be differences in the firmware and file structure of the 2/3 scanners...

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Janice Glesser
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The Reflecta appears to be an entirely different unit than the Wolverine/Somikon/Hammacher Schlemmer models and costs about twice as much. This is more than just a branding issue. Although possible....it's highly improbable that the Reflecta uses the same software scanning and coversion system as the Wolverine type units.

Relflecta Super 8 Film Scanner
https://tinyurl.com/yb5e6ywu
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Werner Ruotsalainen
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Reflecta has two scanners: the one you linked to (the older one) and the rebranded Somikon / Wolverine one (the new one).

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Kurt Froberg
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https://www.photospecialist.com/reflecta-super-8-normaal-8-scanner?gclid=CjwKCAjw8r_XBRBkEiwAjWGLlDkI_pDxT0Ide7mB8b-OsQswkHeHmnqo4r1Ud0lMnDfBNWywLSz0UxoCafMQAvD_BwE

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Janice Glesser
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Thanks Kurt and Werner... Interesting...I hadn't seen the Reflecta Wolverine clone [Smile] I had only seen reviews on the original Reflecta...and the reviews weren't all that good [Frown]

I don't own these units...I use the original MovieStuff 8mm and 16mm frame by frame scanners...however I'm always interested in telecine technology. Has anyone other than Jean-Pierre located hidden frame files on their SD Cards with the software he recommended?

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Mike Spice
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Janice you are a legend!

I'm not sure what made me type that, but you really are something special!

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Dino Motti
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Indeed, "the Reflecta" comes also in this flavour, no worries Janice, I myself have got confused a few times and was worried that we were referring to another scanner altogether on reading this.

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Paul Adsett
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Mike you will have to get in line with the rest of us here who think Janice is really special! [Smile]

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Alan Taplow
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Appears to be a clone of the original model Wolverine with a 12.7cm (5") reel capacity. Anyone notice any spec. enhancements?
Seems sort of pricy for a Wolverine clone.

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Werner Ruotsalainen
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No custom additions / enhancements in the Reflecta rebrand, unfortunately. Prolly it's only WRT local (Germany-based) warranty that MIGHT be better than with Somikon - at least if one is in Europe.

I myself purchased two pieces of the Somikon scanner instead because of the significantly lower price (at pearl.de) and the 7" support.

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Mike Spice
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This Wolverine thread has turned in to something quite special.

I found this thread via a Google search when mine broke down a few weeks in, around a year back.

Here we are 16 pages and some 393 posts

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Jean-Pierre Labus
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For your information,

I am not programmer.
I was born on 1950
I make cine movies from 1962 (Double 8mm and Super 8 mm colored and sounded
I use computers from 1978 and be beta tester and software translater (Amiga materials and softwares
and after with microsoft)
I am owner of 4 sound cine projectors

HEURTIER Stereovox Super8
HEURTIER Stereovox Super 8 telecine SD & HD video
HEURTIER Duo 942 prototype synchro ORDINASON & OPTOPILOT
HEURTIER P624 sound 8mm & Super 8mm

For me it is the best way to capture HD video from 8/S8 mm cine movies.

For Reflecta (Wolverine-Somikon clones) these systems are based on cine film viewer.
No sprocket wheels, no pinch rollers
No capstan, no idle pulley
No claw, dew claw ...

only 2 frames per second stepping motor and 4 rubber anti return pulley.

Inside it is an Aduino cpu

At this time 1 work to search how flashing internal software (same solution for my 3D printer intern software)
As I work on 3D printer since Six monthes I print some spare parts to modify this Reflecta scanner;
The recovered files on SD card are hexadecimal language and I work on.

Waiting for new discoveries
and possible discoveries of others forum members ....

Best regards
JP LABUS

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Jean-Pierre Labus
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To flash internal Wolverine-Somikon-Reflecta EPROM you can use
this way :

https://www.renesas.com/en-in/doc/products/mpumcu/apn/rx/002/r01an3294ej0103_usb.pdf

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Mark Davies
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OK, So, I am sure many people have heard about the Rasberry Pi, the small ARM based computer on a board.

Well this months magazine MagPi had an interesting article that caught my eye.

Joe Herman has produced a film scanner based on a Pi & a bolex.

This if I am reading correctly uses a Pi + Pi Camera and exports directly to another machine in real time.

First page a link to the git hub project.
Git Hub

Next page another git hub link with more info.
Second Git Hub Page

Finally a link to his youtube page, which looks good.
You Tube Page

The software on this looks really good, and I always suspected these commercial scanners where Pi based.

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Kev Morrison
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Mark,

The Raspberry PI camera videos are interesting!

This is one of the best comparison videos I've seen out of this group of Raspberry PI videos - the video on the right is (to me) the preferred version. Fascinating that it's in 720p versus the original 1080p:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeYRGvWeYXo

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Mark Davies
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That Kev.. is DAMN awesome!! You can really see the difference, only one thing and it may be my mind playing tricks, but the blue car looks more colourful in the left.. saying that, the right maybe the real colour.

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