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Phil Murat
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Here is a very fast and simple procedure to pré-trim speeds for Beaulieu projector.
To do it no film is loaded.
However, as prerequisites, insure you that mechanic systems are perfectly free and smooth ! (Lub bearings as necessary with penetrant thin oil), belts are serviceable. Pinch Roller has to be free and perfectly clean,its Rubber has to be in perfect condition for surface and Roundness. If these conditions are not met you can experience speed(s) fluctuation (WOW / Flutter) which can make final adjustment hard to achieve.

Moreover, this small procedure allows to quickly check "Capstan Motor" health and Electronic drive quality.
It is very important to watch a perfect Capstan Motor speed stability as Capstan Speed is considered as the REFERENCE for the Electronic Dual Drive Stucture.

Tools :
- Multimeter with Frequencemeter capability included and allowing measures within +/- 1% (You can find it for 60 Euros approx)
- White Tape (5mm X 15mm)
- Black Fine Marker
- Flat screw driver , narrow tip, extra long

A) First Step
1) After removing Back cover, Once Multimeter is set on “Frequencemeter” position , put each probe tip on soldiers (White / Blue) Wires , Tacho Terminals:
2) 24fps is 2160Hz measured from Tacho
3) 18fps is 1625Hz
4) Observe these values have to be perfectly stable , doesn’t matter if values are different at this time
5) If values unstabilities are observed and if wire contacts are in good condition , replace the “Time Factor” capacitor (C4) by a new one 5% Class minimum.(15nf.J.100v)
6) 2160Hz is set by RA3 , 1625Hz is set by RA4.
7) To be note if Multimeter accuracy is +/- 1%, final result precision is much higher what you can expect (Final speed for capstan Shaft is divided with a good ratio)

Exemple of Tacho Frequency measure (Here, a BEAULIEU 708EL MONO):
2,175Khz or 2175 Hz.

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B) Second Step
Once “reference” well setted, the idea is to adjust “Claw Main Motor” to "mid range" when playing in Sound mode.
So, Turn off the machine.
1) Set main knob in sound position.
2) Stick on the white strip behind “Buckle Black Sensor” and to the case.
3) Facing the machine, Push Sensor to the left up to the 1St step but do not overpass it. With black fine marker report position on the tape.
4) Release sensor and report its new stop position on tape.
5) Then put a mark on white tape at mid range between Left and right stops reported before.
6) "Power On" the machine, Set main knob on "Sound" mode , and Block sensor with a soft material on "Mid Range" position reported on white tape.
7) With Multimeter, check Frequency from Main Motor Tacho terminals .
8) Observe value is around 500Hz. As necessary set RA6 to reach this value.

Additionnal Info :

RA1 (Also Labelised "E.G") is supposed to adjust Sensor efficiency (more or less Voltage to the tiny bulb located inside "Mask").
That means "Fast" or "Slow" sensor response.
Generally RA1 is set at Mid-Range position, which also increase tiny bulb life and allows a smooth operating.

This is what I did on my projectors. If properly done this “pré-set” procedure works much better than BEAULIEU procedure described in Shop Manual and an oscilloscop is not required.
This procedure takes around 15mn to set the machine

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Steven J Kirk
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Thanks Phil! I have made a copy of this should I ever need it. Great information.

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Phil Murat
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Hello Steven,

I have just put it as a draft, I ll make some pictures to complete the informations.

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TIP today updated :

Picture is showing a Capstan Motor Tacho Frequency measured with Multimeter. (2,175 Khz / 2175 Hz)

To be note this method can be applied as initial step to troubleshoot faulty synchro.

Fast & Easy ==> Just apply probes on tacho terminals (solders), any position (red/black), it doesn't matter because Tacho supply alternative current....

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Excellent post thank you Phil! [Wink]

You mention RA1 (lamp voltage),RA3, RA4, RA6, but what adjustments do RA2, RA5 and RA7 control?

Some must be for main motor (claw) speed adjustment I presume?
But which is for 18fps and which is for 24fps adjustments?

Do you have frequency readings for these when set precisely at 24 and 18fps first during calibration?

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Thanks Andrew. [Cool]
Hope this help BEAULIEU's Owners to face Synchro problems. Some of them meets difficulties to find the "right" repair station. So, this kind of Tool is a modest investment.
In fact, its price is around 40 euros at this time.

RA3 = 24 fps CAPSTAN
RA4 = 18 fps CAPSTAN
RA6 = 24 fps CLAW
RA7 = 18 fps CLAW

RA1 = Sensor Response (Fast Response / Slow Response). Generally , it's set in middle range

RA5 = Variable Speed Range position (means you can get more than 28 Fps or less than 21 fps, but a schema should be better to explain the idea)

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Please see questions above Phil. This is invaluable advice you're handing out and could save a lot of time using a frequency meter on a multimeter.

Please list the functions and values from tachometers(Hz) for RA2to RA7 if you will please Phil.
500hz (RA6) = Main motor- 18fps or 24fps??

My Multimeter doesn't have a frequency setting currently, but it soon will! [Smile] [Wink]

Cheers Phil you're a Gent!! [Wink]

RA2 ??

RA7 = 375Hz?

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Yes Andrew, when I get more time I'll make a diagram (curve) to cross actual frames speed with Tacho frequency.

As well, it should be interesting to make a complementary diagram dedicated to Claw Motor speed.

RA1 to RA7 are speed trimmers for the (Stereo) Projector Board.
For Mono Projector, references are different.

RA2 is not concerned by this TIP. RA2 is used to adjust incomming Voltage to Preamp .

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Thanks again Phil, invaluable advice and I look forward to your update when it arrives! [Smile] [Wink]

I've just found a true RMS multimeter on Amazon with a frequency meter built in. Also measures capacitance!

£42 ...Happy Days [Smile]

Not a Fluke though of course at these prices! 😊😊

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Hi Andrew,

I suggest you before to choose a Multimeter, check within "Tehcnical Data" for accuracy of measures (for exemple, this one is +/- 0,7%) and try to get the one which offers the tighter accuracy....... for an equivalent price [Wink]

Let me know

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Thanks Phil and I will let you know which model I finally choose based on your recommendations.

I'd like another Fluke, but these days just for home use, I simply cannot justify the expense.
Obviously at work, those are all we use.
The ones I looked at with a frequency meter built in, was £149 cheapest

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It would also be most useful Phil, if you have any proven data points surrounding the settings on the mono/ twin track boards for the Capstan Drive?

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Hi Andrew,

Not sure to understand exactly, but at this time , I have not checked all the points, means all the speed range.
But , logically , Capstan Motor Speed has to be proportionate to frequency and can be drawn as a straight line.
Of course, to confirm, I need at least more than 3 points.

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So the layout is the same just the labelling of RA1 to RA7 is different Phil?

Sorry I haven't looked inside my twin track much to date.
I certainly haven't had a need to study the motor board on it anyhow, so you would know the answer to this far better than I currently do.

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Absolutely Andrew, RA1 to RA7 referencing only concerns Stereo Family.

Labelling is different for Mono Machine, but idea stays the same.

However , so far I can remember, 2 "secondary" trimmers do not exist on Mono Board (Voltage adjustment and "Range" speed positionning)....

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Many thanks once again Phil. [Wink]

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Andrew, I am realizing these "lalelling" differences can lead to some confusions to understand how work both cards......

So I think about a kind of "Summary Chart",Simple, all in a single page, showing cross reference Functions => Labellings for Mono & Stereo families.... [Roll Eyes]

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Great idea Phil.

I look forward to the resulting calibration table.

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Hi Beaulieu's Fans,

Here is a Speed Regulation "Summary Chart" MONO/STEREO Machines to download (pdf) within 15 days :

Can be updated REGULATION SUMMARY CHART

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Thank you so much Phil for all of your efforts with this and for sharing them with us all!

It is truly most appreciated thanks. [Smile]

Phil, I have just downloaded your chart and on it it appears RA15 and RA17 are doing the exact same job.
Is this a typing error and should it perhaps say"claw" against one of them instead of three trimmers for Capstan?

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Oups !!!!

....... Big Mistake [Wink]

I am correcting that

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[Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Wink]

Am i right in assuming RA17 should be changed to say "Claw" Phil?
If so, I will just alter my downloaded chart now thanks.

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This is correct Andrew [Wink]

I am on it at this time

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Thanks Phil. [Smile]

One last piece of advice if you will please Phil,...

In your original post of this ingenious and "user friendly"technique here for setting the mid position of the floating roller and balancing the mechanism,.. in point 8 above you say a reading of 500HZ should be obtained by adjusting trim pot RA6 @ 24fps for "balancing" the speed of the claw motor, but do you have a known and proven value at this stage for repeating this exercise at 18fps for the claw motor using trim pot RA7?

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And now, this is done Andrew....

Take a look. If you see anything more thing(s) to add/update, don't hesitate to tell me [Razz]

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