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Graham Ritchie
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 - posted February 22, 2018 04:12 PM      Profile for Graham Ritchie   Email Graham Ritchie   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Just a quick check how many of you use hand rewinders for your films? me, well I would never rewind films any other way and always wind by hand.... except on 35mm [Smile]

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David Hardy
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Graham ... I am an ex pro projectionist so like you its manual hand rewinders for me every time. Even on 35mm film.

Same for print checking and make up.

I guess some really good habits are hard to break. [Smile]

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Dominique De Bast
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I use external rewinders as well (except when I'm too lazzy I have to confess). You must use them anyway when you clean your films, so why not when you rewind after a projection ?

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Tom Photiou
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i bench rewind always for both 8 and 16mm, over the years a lot of wear is surly saved on the projector.

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Bill Phelps
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I only rewind on the 16mm projector, never on super 8. Every print I get goes on the bench for inspection and cleaning before projection. Regular 8 gets hand rewound on the projector.....the beautiful Bolex M8! [Smile]

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Chip Gelmini
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I have always rewound film by hand because you know usually I am in a cranky mood

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Daniel Macarone
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For Super 8, I always rewind on my pair of Elmo rewinds. They clamp onto a table and they can fit a 15" reel, which can be up to 2300', even though it says 1200' on the packaging.

For 16mm, I don't rewind at all ... and I don't project at all either, but that's because I have not been ready to collect that format yet. When I am ready, I will get Moviola 35mm rewinds, not that I will buy 35mm films, but to have sturdy, high quality rewinds to adapt for 8 & 16mm.

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Bill Brandenstein
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I'm just an old crank too!

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Graham Ritchie
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Tom

You hit the nail on the head [Smile] If folk want there precious GS1200 projector gears etc to last, then dont put strain on those little plastic gears at the back of those arms that are prone to cracking, however I understand you can still buy them [Big Grin]

The best thing I ever bought, was a pair of Shinko clamp on 8/16mm hand winders. I would be lost without them [Smile]

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Clinton Hunt
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Yeah I’m the same as Bill,I use my Bolex M8 to watch my Standard 8mm silent films on and use the crank handle to rewind all the films,it can be done with the motor by attaching a spring band,but I don’t want to [Smile]

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Terry Sills
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Always - quicker,safer and less wear and tear on the projector.

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James Wilson
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I always use a rewinder for cleaning & assessing 16mm super8 & Standard 8mm film.
Fro me it`s a must have.
James.

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Rich Malmsten
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For those of you who rewind manually, are you primarily talking about large reels, or do you manually rewind 200 and 400 ft reels, too? I never considered the small reels to be an issue, but maybe I should reconsider.

Do you have multiple auto takeup reels, you can show five or six cartoons in a row without having to rewind and take them off before showing the next one?

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Graham Ritchie
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Hi Rich

I use the hand rewinders for all size of film reels, it only takes a couple of minutes to rewind by hand. If I was to put a film show on for others, then I use the hand rewinders to join the films together, removing the heads and tails to give a seamless flow, from one film to the next without stopping. I dont lose any frames either, as I simply peel away the splice to re-attach the leaders when I am finished. I do have set reels put aside on 800ft or 1200ft that have a film programme of shorts.

I find the hand rewinders a very valuable tool [Smile]

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David Hardy
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No matter what size a reel of film is I make 'em up and break 'em down on manual rewind arms. Its that simple. [Big Grin]

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Edwin van Eck
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We always use handrewinders for cleaning film and checking for defects in splicer before we project or digitize films.

These handrewinders are harder to get and therefore we have decided to start manufacturing these again. We are using these ourselves know for some time to great satisfaction.

Soon we will add these to our webshop!

Here a preview already:
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We use adaptors for super8 and 9,5mm films, see:
https://winkel.van-eck.net/PP-0038-S--viewers.html

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Mathew James
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I like those alot Edwin!
I like the table mount on these. I still keep hoping I will find a nice set of rewinders locally, but so far no luck, so I will look into these when you have them on the webshop. Thx for showing us these.

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Edwin van Eck
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Our newly produced film rewinders are now ready and for sale!

See: https://shop.van-eck.net/RW-0062.html?_globalsearch=rw-600m

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Film rewinder Van Eck RW-600M (new

Film rewinder for 8mm, 9,5 and 16mm films

Specifications:
* For reels up to 600 meters (2000 ft)
* Can be attached to table with included table clamps

* For regular8 and 16mm films
* For super8 films using optional adapters (PP-0038-S)
* For 9,mm films using optional adapter (PP-0038-9)

* Runs very Smoothly
* Film reel rotates in same direction as winder handle
* Transmission: 1:3

Materiaal:
- aluminum frame
- steel and nylon parts

Dimensions: 11 x 6 x 23 cm
Weight 1150 grams

Design and fabrication by 3dformadesign.nl
Made in the Netherlands

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Mike Spice
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hand rewind every time.

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Nantawat Kittiwarakul
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A little dirty secret... [Big Grin]

Since I already have a pair of 35mm film gauge rewinds on my desk. Found out that with a pair of Super8 >> Regular8 hub adapter,I can (somewhat) brute-force S8 reels to fit on my 35mm rewinds. And yes it works flawlessly,sort of.

With further slight modification it'll even accept 16mm reels too. Hence a pair of all-in-one rewinds. [Smile]

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Steven J Kirk
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Thomas 16mm rewinds screwed to a board. The Wittner chrome Super 8 adapters go on these perfectly and match as if original to them.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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I am considered my self as still young. At least according to the UN standard [Razz]

But I never ever rewind my film (any size) hand cranked...it is too tiring. I knew rewinding on the machine will damage some gears inside...so I just bought a cheap projector to do the job.

But comes to my mind now what is the other point to hand crank rewinding films other than protecting the gears?

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Tom Photiou
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mainly for inspecting etc, you control the speed and tension at which you rewind. It's also a lot faster and, (im guessing), over many years it must save a lot of wear and tear on all the moving parts of any projector.
For 16mm, i would use no other option for rewinding / cleaning
[Wink]

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Ken Finch
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I have and use Thomas rewinders for 16 and 9.5mm films mounted on a board with a Haynor 9.5mm viewer in between. I also use this for editing of course! For the 8mm gauges I have acquired 3 editor /viewers which I also use when cleaning and joining. I also use projectors for rewinding but usually if I am only screening one reel. I may have never been a professional projectionist but I learned the "right" way to treat films many years ago!! I may add that I really dislike self threading projectors. I wonder how many of you agree with me about that one! Ken Finch. [Smile]

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Paul Adsett
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Have to agree with you about auto thread projectors Ken. None of them are 100% reliable, although some do have a pretty high threading success rate. But it only takes one mis-thread to scratch a film, sometimes the whole reel. Nothing beats manual threading.

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