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Tom Photiou
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posted February 20, 2018 03:26 PM

I read a lot about this, is there many films with magnetic sound on 16mm or this a specialist thing?

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Clyde Miles
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posted February 20, 2018 03:35 PM

tom, ive only ever come across airline prints with mag stripe. the optical being english and the mag usually spanish or italian. but im sure others will know more on here.

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Tom Photiou
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posted February 20, 2018 04:22 PM

cheers Clyde [Wink]

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Mark Mander
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posted February 20, 2018 04:36 PM

Clyde sums it up there,normally another language on the magnetic stripe,Mark

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Clinton Hunt
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posted February 20, 2018 08:32 PM

I know from Facebook Film Groups that there were lots of music films/clips that played on a ... I guess you can call it ... a Video Jukebox.Was it Scopitone?

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Maurice Leakey
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posted February 21, 2018 02:33 AM

I have a few on 16mm magnetic, including a British sound version of a foreign animated TV show, and a full length "Goldfinger".

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Robert Crewdson
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posted February 21, 2018 07:17 AM

I've read that some TV programmes were magnetic. I think I've only ever seen one Magnetic 16mm film offered.

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Luigi Castellitto
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posted February 21, 2018 01:39 PM

The films from Scopitone were always magnetic, I don't remember if the same 16mm films from similar jukebox are also magnetic, but I suppose so. These are some examples of magnetic on 16mm, but something else is also found, as mentioned also the bi-language, witht optical and magnetic films.
I must say that the quality of the magnetic in 16mm is very good, the stripe is wide.

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Brian Fretwell
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posted February 21, 2018 01:49 PM

I wish I could remember what Adrian Winchester said about Scopitone and others in his demonstration and talk at the Big Screen Scene Revival last year.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted February 21, 2018 02:45 PM

I've got some Acker Bilk and his Paramount Jazz Band titles, each on 100ft optical 16mm.
The picture is reversed and the sound is slightly out of sync on a 16mm projector.
I believe the equipment was called "Cinevox".

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David Guest
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posted February 21, 2018 05:12 PM

I have abour 80 juke box musicals all good tunes

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Luigi Castellitto
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posted February 22, 2018 03:50 AM

David, you mean the magnetic 16mm from the jukeboxes?

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Buck Bito
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posted February 24, 2018 01:32 PM

I have never seen a feature release with mag stripe sound (aka CoMag, Commag, Composite Magnetic), but we work with a lot of camera original newsfilm using this system as well as the occasional post-striped camera original film where the mag stripes and the sound (typically narration) were added following editing.

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Adrian Winchester
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posted February 24, 2018 06:57 PM

Regarding the world of 16mm 'film jukeboxes', only Scopitone films were magnetic sound. Soundies in the 1940s and Cinebox - which was in use around the same time as Scopitone players in the 1960s - were both optical.

I only have one magnetic print that isn't a Scopitone and that's a film about a company in the fashion business. As Robert mentions, there is some magnetic TV material in circulation but it's extremely rare - I can only recall two instances I've come across. I think it's possible that in at least some such cases, there's just one magnetic 'married' print combining visual and audio, maybe as a sort of check print. There may not even be any optical prints, depending on the distribution needs.

There are of course 16mm projectors with recording capability, so there are non-professional magnetic prints that are the 16mm equivalent of filmmakers adding sound to 8mm films.

[ February 25, 2018, 11:57 PM: Message edited by: Adrian Winchester ]

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Maurice Leakey
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posted February 25, 2018 02:54 AM

I have a 16mm magnetic 10 minute "AC-Delco News" made in 1956. It's a very amateurish production which is for staff information. Obviously a one-off and much cheaper to produce. Film it yourself - have a striped - record commentary. Then it's ready to show.

AC-Delco made/make vehicle parts and tools.

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Tom Photiou
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posted February 25, 2018 03:36 AM

They certainjy were, up until a few years ago the company i work for wwre AC Delco dealers along side our Vauxhall Franchise. I have a few 8mm training films from them that were buried in boxes at work with some opel training films. They were almost embarrasing to watch.

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Luigi Castellitto
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posted February 25, 2018 07:50 PM

Adrian, thank you for discover me that the "rivals" of Scopitone, also Italian Cinebox, were opticians. I thought they were magnetic too!
Then came the Cinedisco (perhaps it was already mentioned), which to avoid the deterioration of the film proposed this futuristic method:
https://sites.google.com/site/ilcinemasonoro/home/011__

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