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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted January 21, 2015 01:37 AM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean   Email Winbert Hutahaean   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have several films (digest and three parter) in German that I like to re-dub to English.

One method that has been spoken here (at least by JM) is taking the digest with camcorder and re-edit the full length film on computer according to the digest cut while the digest is re-shown on TV.

This can be a method, but takes so much time for recording and playing.

I have downloaded (for free) VirtualDub and Avidemux, it has a feature to divided pictures by 24 frames.

Having seen this, it comes to my mind to re-edit the full length feature directly on those software by following frame by frame in the digest. What we need is just a simple viewer/editor. So if there is seen a scene change on the digest version, we do the same cut through this software.

I believe if we always follows the frame changes, the software will finally form the same cut as the digest. After doing this, we can burn the edit version on to CD, and record back to the film on the projector with the new soundtrack.

What do you think?

I have not tried this, so tell me if there is/are obstacle(s) that I have not been thinking of with these software.

ps: this can be also an answer for those silent (of sound) films as well as playing stereo surround (pro logic) for our digest using Pedro box or similar device.

cheers,

[ January 21, 2015, 05:37 AM: Message edited by: Winbert Hutahaean ]

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Douglas Meltzer
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 - posted January 21, 2015 08:38 AM      Profile for Douglas Meltzer   Email Douglas Meltzer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Winbert,

I use a similar method. With my GS controlled by a sync box, I film the digest or feature off the screen. I then bring in the matching sequences from the DVD to Final Cut Pro, match up the filmed 8mm footage with the DVD scenes in the timeline, export a DVD and re-record the film print using a DVD player looped through the sync box.
The most important part here is to use a 24P(23.98) setting when filming off the screen and edit in a timeline with the same sequence setting.

Doug

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Flavio Stabile
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 - posted January 21, 2015 11:36 AM      Profile for Flavio Stabile   Email Flavio Stabile   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Winbert,

i have re-recorded many digest and i used only a software application.

I record with a videocamera the film during its projection, using the sync box to pilot the projector at 25 fps.
Then I rip the DVD to my PC obtaining the master for the new recording.

I load both files (super 8 and dvd ripped files, both video and audio) into Sony Vegas, and in the preview window I put both video to make the comparison.

I then start to edit the master file to perfectly match the digest and start to cut the missing parts...

It's time consuming, but the final result is really accurate!
Of course there is Always the risk that some sequences are on the digest and not on the master (believe me, i found this many times!) and so you have to try to replace in some way the missing part.

At the end I render the obtained edited file and i use it again with the sync box to start the re-recording!

That's it! [Wink]

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Thanks Doug and Flavio, both your methods are using Video Camera.

What I was thinking was to use our bare eyes wtih viewer/editor and to match up the movie on the software. Since we have the full length films on 24 frames, therefore by counting the frame on 8mm we can match up exactly the same frame on the full legnth version.

Thanks Flavio for the information that many scenes on 8mm are not found in the original film. I have to deal with this.

Any other thing that I have to encounter before doing this?

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Dino Everette
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GRRRRR you both keep mentioning the sync boxes that I cannot seem to get.....I never needed "sound" help before but have lately been getting into certain super 8 sound films that are impossible to find good versions on 16mm, but often i find them with foreign language soundtracks, and since Pedro has been MIA for a year or so, there really is no other source is there?

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Dino, you do not need a sync box if you are a computer savvy. There is available a software to do that job.

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Andrew Woodcock
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Depending on your projector Dino, and with the right software, it is fairly easy to re record your films soundtracks without a sync box and to a fantastic level of accuracy with a little practice. You will just need video software with pitch / tempo adjustment on it.

Ok you cannot just start them both at the same time and then go and make coffee, but as I say, with a little practice the results are amazing!

The more stable the projector drive, the better the end results.
I have used a Goko RM8008, a Bauer T610 and a Beaulieu 708el to re record my films. All of them do a great job.
Just avoid AC motor driven projectors and you should be successful.

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Alexander Vandeputte
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Dino, this thread will explain you how you can sync up the GS1200 without the pedro box. I do this all the time for re-recordings or for dual band play.
http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001956#000000

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Dino Everette
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Thanks
I have a GS to record too, and have done some re-recording but it is frustrating on the digests (more so than features) because the drift can affect it more drastically but I will follow the thread and try it out.

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Bill Brandenstein
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I think we need to start a thread listing sound cards that will directly power an ESS circuit, given the right adapter cable. Remember, originally the one Flavio was using wouldn't work. Mine at the time wouldn't either. I suppose it has something to do with the circuitry characteristics.

So if you've done this without a Pedro box, some details please!!!

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