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Mike Peckham
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- posted January 21, 2004 02:32 PM      Profile for Mike Peckham   Email Mike Peckham   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hello

Some of you will remember that on the old forum we had a thread like this where we listed all the optical prints that people were aware had been released and found their way into the collectors market. As that list is lost now [Frown] I thought I might have a go at re-creating it, I have compiled the following one from all the prints I could see on dealers lists, in my collection or from memory.

Last time I think we got up to over 40 so it's over to you guys to add some more..... [Wink]

Mike

1. A fish Called Wanda
2. A Man, A Woman, And A Bank
3. A Matter of Time
4. Across the Great Divide
5. Broadway Danny Rose
5. City Heat
7. Claras Heart
8. Conduct Unbecoming
9. Crocodile Dundee
10. Death on the Nile
11. Dr No
12. Doctor Moreau
13. Finders Keepers
14. Footloose
15. Force Ten From Navarone
16. From Russia withLove
17. Futureworld
18. Ghostbusters
19. Gray Eagle
20. Greystoke Lord of the Jungle
21. How to beat the high cost of living
22. Ice Pirates
23. Just You and Me
24. Lady in Red
25. Land That Time Forgot
26. Lethal Weapon
27. Little Shop of Horrors
28. Live a little steal a lot
29. Lone Wolf McQuade
30. Memories of me
31. On Golden Pond
32. Over The Top
33. Pale Rider
34. Prototype
35. Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins
36. Rising Damp
37. Romance of the Horse Thief
38. Sacred Ground
39. Shout at the Devil
40. Something Short Of Paradise
41. Spaceballs
42. Speed Fever
43. Splash
44. Sudden Impact
45. The Bounty
46. The Dreamer
47. The French lieutenants Woman
48. The Go-between
49. The Interncine
50. The Osterman Weekend
51. The Purple Rose of Cairo
52. The Thirty Nine Steps
53. Thunderball
34. Trail of the Pink Panther
55. Where Eagles Dare
56. Zorro The Gay Blade

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Tony Milman
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Memories of me is currently on ebay on offer by Bolex 3 and it says Optical

What about Optical trailers/cartoons?

Tony

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Chris Quinn
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Mike, have you forgotten already, [Confused] "Rising Damp" [Wink]

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Mike Peckham
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Chris! I'm so sorry, how cold I forget Rising Damp after all the nice things I said about your print at the Lightwater mini cine fest [Roll Eyes]

It will be included with the first re-edit along with Memories of me, thanks Tony [Smile] I suppose we could broaden this to include shorts and trailers, might be better though to make those the subject of a second list, you know how I like to keep things in boxes [Wink]

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Mal Brake
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You may add the Eastwood/Reynolds effort 'City Heat'

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Dan Lail
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I have The Island Of Doctor Moreau in Optical. The 1970's version with Burt Landcaster. Also, A Man, A Woman, And A Bank in Optical.

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Douglas Meltzer
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- posted January 21, 2004 08:32 PM      Profile for Douglas Meltzer   Email Douglas Meltzer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hello Mike,
Let's add:
Force Ten From Navarone
A Matter of Time
Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins
Futureworld
Footloose
Land That Time Forgot
Pale Rider
Sudden Impact
Crocodile Dundee
Revenge of the Pink Panther

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Brad Kimball
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Why did studios even manufacture magnetic sound film if optical was an option in the first place?

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Tony Milman
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Mike

Was Lady in Red an optical?

Tony

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Trevor Adams
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Speed Fever-Robert Hardy
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Mal Brake
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Brad, the sound quality of stripe is (potentially) better than optical sound on 8mm.I think Kev explained why on another thread.
I suppose that adding sound to home movies was not practical using the optical method.
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Kevin Faulkner
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Yes Tony she was on Optical and the copy I had WAS RED!

Kev.

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Mike Peckham
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Thanks Lads.

I've added your contributions in, as you will see we are back up to 43 which I'm pretty sure is how many we came up with on the old forum [Smile] .

Some of the titles above I have never seen appearing on the lists so they must be quite rare, hard to find but worth having.

So, are there any that we have forgotten. Anyone?

Mike

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Tom Photiou
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Hello all, i'll just add a title i own to your list.

The Bounty.(Mel Gibson, Antony Hopkins)supplied on 4x600

Although we know these were airline prints etc etc, does anyone know why the airline prints were optical instead of the common and well proven magnetic stripe?
Although optical sound is pretty good unless you have a good machine, namely a GS i've always thought the sound to be a little inferior.

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Michael De Angelis
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Hi Mike,

I have two Woody Allen Features:
Broadway Danny Rose,
The Purple Rose of Cairo.

As well as, John Wayne in Stagecoach

A friend once told me about the film:
The Man Who Would Be King, was optical.

Optical prints advertising General Motors
brand name cars in America were also used in
Dealerships for training and selling automobiles.

I had two 10 minute shorts
featuring this a while back.

Cartoons had also been printed in
Regular 8 Optical as well.

Best Regards,
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Jan Bister
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Just came across this thread while doing a forum search, and noticed no one has yet mentioned "Something Short Of Paradise" which was a full-length optical airline print. (I have it and will be shipping it to Dan Lail, incidentally.)

Also, how about - since airline prints have been showing up on eBay lately - doing a search for completed items (I think the seller is the same for all these films) and adding any films not yet on the list? [Smile]

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Rob Young.
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"Over the Top" with Sylvester Stallone! Sold as an ex-airline by Derann in 1987. Absolutely cracking print, absolutely crap film (produced by Cannon under the guise of Golan-Globus, remember them?)

The first feature I ever bought, priced £49.99!

Disney did some of their 200ft versions with English optical. I once rented the Sleeping Beauty extract "The Prince and the Dragon" in original Disney box with optical track. Wonder why they bothered??? Anyone know? Mind you, the optical sound was superb!

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Kevin Faulkner
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I too have a 200 ft extract from Bambi with optical sound as well as a 200ft extract from Herbie Rides Again. I have a number of the Pathe Pictorials which were put out by Dearnn with optical sound. A number of German titles were also released with Optical sound and one which I have been after for a long time was one called "DB" which was about the German Railways. I sold my copy many years ago but have since regretted doing so as the quality was stunning. It had a very sharp image and really fine film grain like so many of these optical sound prints.

Have just updated the list at the start of this thread.

Kev.

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Barry Attwood
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I've had many optical prints through my hands at one time and another, here's another 4 for you "Dr. No" (stunning print) & "Sacred Ground" western adventure, "Splash" (lovely Daryl Hannah") & "Ghostbusters".

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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Out of curiosity, do we know how many films got the airline print treatment?
Mike, is your list compiling company releases only? I guess that if it was to include airline prints, it would be much longer, right?

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Ricky Daniels
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Add 'Where Eagles Dare' to this list guys...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1476&item=6417696619&rd=1

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Barry Attwood
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Jean-Marc,

Virtually every "Top" film from the early 70's to the late 80's would have had optical prints made, either slightly edited for language or violence content, but as most collectors know, all these optical prints were supposed to be destroyed after their Airline run, but like everything, prints did get out, and this is why some unusual titles do crop up (did you know Derann were offered optical prints of "Die Hard" before they decided to release it).

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Kevin Faulkner
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Tom, your question about why optical and not mag sound. I think it was down to the fact that haveing a mag stripe would not have allowed the Airline projector cartridges to hold so much film. As it is they used thin based stocks on all the prints I have seen so can only think that it was down to getting the max playing time possible without having huge carts to hold the film.
Barry is this correct?

Kev.

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Tom Photiou
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Also, The English prints didnt have the final coating that the USA prints had,hence, why the English prints suffered from more pops and noises. Fotunatly, all 16mm prints in this country did.
How many of the optical prints still have good colour. I know C Dundee has and also Little shop of horrors.

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Kevin Faulkner
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My prints of Little Shop of Horrors, Trail of the pink Panther, Zorro the Gay Blade and Rising Damp are still in excellent shape wih no signs of fade [Smile]

Kev.

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