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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted February 23, 2011 05:50 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Very funny word, the smallest format 8mm does still exist, made and used, or even printed film is still sold and released, but 16mm has gone now.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2011/feb/22/tacita-dean-16mm-film?commentpage=last#end-of-comments

So does 8mm win?

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Wayne Tuell
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 - posted February 23, 2011 06:39 PM      Profile for Wayne Tuell   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Winbert, often times I do feel all alone [Frown] new 16mm isn't 100% dead, but darn near. CHC still does a little printing from what I understand, and a few others do too.

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Kirkamus Anderson
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 - posted February 23, 2011 07:09 PM      Profile for Kirkamus Anderson   Email Kirkamus Anderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I feel like the title is misleading. You can shoot and develop 16mm no problem. They're referring to printing 16mm which I haven't heard of anyone doing for a very very long time.

I have tons of friend that shoot 16 and super 16 here in LA for music videos, TV shows, and films. There's no one I've met that will edit on a flatbed, sync with a gang, pay a negative cutter to conform your negative and print a 16mm print.

The costs are astronomical! You now how much a negative cutter charges? A ton.

99% of festivals wont even take a 16mm print submission. You'd have to blow up the 35 to even enter.

Just my observations working in the film industry. I love my super8 and 16mm, but can see why printing 16mm is falling quick.

I sold my arriflex package with 3000' of film last year for around $800 and at that price it sat on the market for 3 months.

I've seen full arri 35mm packages on CL for $3000. There's no money left in it.

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Adrian Winchester
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 - posted February 23, 2011 08:25 PM      Profile for Adrian Winchester     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Much as I'm sorry to hear of any decline in 16mm services - and it's sad if 16mm can no longer be printed in central London - I can't help thinking that this article blows it out of proportion as surely Delux only own some and by no means all of the remaining labs. Can't the film-makers involved simply get their printing done here: http://www.film-photo.co.uk/ in West London?

There are still shorts being printed on 16mm; apart from Wayne's important contribution, some of Steve Osborne's Reel Image releases are available on 16mm, and I got the superb 2007 BFI Hammer 'Dracula' trailer from CHC last year.

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Bryan Chernick
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 - posted February 23, 2011 08:46 PM      Profile for Bryan Chernick   Email Bryan Chernick   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
According to their web site Alpha Cine in Seattle still does prints.

Alpha Cine Printing

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Wayne Tuell
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 - posted February 24, 2011 12:38 AM      Profile for Wayne Tuell   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I used to use a couple different labs in NY, who have since quit working with film in one case, and 16mm in the other. Last year I changed over to FotoKem in Burbank CA. Being they are so new a few universities with film schools, they assure me they will continue to print and process 16mm for a long time.

For east coast people, Jack Rizzo has his lab going, he does 16mm & S16mm among other things and can cater to small clients as well as large. www.metpostny.com

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Adrian Winchester
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 - posted February 24, 2011 06:26 AM      Profile for Adrian Winchester     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In fact the comments on the Guardian site responding to the story are repeatedly saying "why doesn't she simply get another lab to do it" and someone phoned the lab I mentioned above to confirm that they would. It has also turned into a bit a of digital v film battle with some people saying that there's no need to use film nowadays and others saying why you can't beat film!

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Joe McAllister
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 - posted February 28, 2011 11:59 AM      Profile for Joe McAllister   Email Joe McAllister   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thought this may be of interest;

"
Dear All,
The take-over of Soho Film Lab by Deluxe has lead to the decision last week to stop 16mm print with immediate effect. I was in the lab on Thursday & Friday last week with Len when he was
told he couldn't take any more orders.
Anyway, I don't think we should let this happen without making some noise.
I've been told there isn't a hope in hell of shifting the decision locally
and that we have to go higher and to the US, so I've gone to extremes and
already made contact with Thelma Schoonmaker (ie hopefully Scorsese) and
written to Spielberg!!
But our real hope perhaps lies in taking the argument away from the cinema
industry. The owner of Deluxe is Ron Perelman, an unsavoury US businessmen
who has made his fortune buying up companies and stripping them of their
assets. He is also, or has been, a patron of the arts. Through the
Guggenheim, I'm hoping to get a letter to him with many co-signatories - so
far: MOMA, the Whitney, hopefully the Tate and as many artists, filmmakers,
institutions and galleries we can muster. This is where I need everyone's
help. We need to get this list together as soon as we can, so please anyone
who can be informed and who is happy to sign or contribute, please for the
moment let me know (through yourselves so I don't get inundated with
emails).
I am writing an article for The Guardian, and have also been in contact with
the NY Times. We have to take this argument over the pond.
The decision, of course, is cultural rather than financial. Len said they're
backed up with work but to the cinema industry execs, 16mm printing is time
taken away from feature work and feature work is all that counts.
Failing to get them to reverse the decision, we must try and finds a means
to at least get more time. In the end, we will probably need to set up, what
is now being called "a boutique laboratory", possibly with the BFI, and the
best hope is that Deluxe work with us in pursuit of this and not against us
(ie not trash the equipment).
Best wishes,
Tacita

Sign here, if you will: http://www.gopetition.com/petition/43288.html
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