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Oemer Yalinkilic
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posted March 11, 2006 02:42 PM

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I´m curious how many of you buy new released full length features?
I bought only once a new feature, it was Return of the Jedi.
I pay often a high price for a feature but not for Super 8 prints, most for old 16mm Technicolor prints.
I buy often S8 cut downs of movies I wanted to watch them as I was a child.
This days it is very dificult to release a full length feature, so I´m curious how many collectors pay a high price for a full feature.

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted March 11, 2006 04:39 PM

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I have many Features which I have bought new.
Master and Commander and a whole load of Disney's. If there are titles which I really want I would prefer to have them new and not second hand. At least that way I know what I'm getting.
I hate getting a movie which I really wnat to keep only to find its been through someone elses poorly maintained super 8 projector [Frown]

[Frown]

Also see my other thread: Secondhand Woes.

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Douglas Meltzer
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posted March 11, 2006 06:27 PM

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Oemer,

Although the majority of features in my collection were previously owned (or pre-certified as car dealers like to say), I have quite a few new prints also. I enjoy the cutdowns tremendously but there are only a handful of great edit jobs among them. Full length features are a joy but yes, they certainly are pricey. With "M&C" I felt it was extremely important to support Derann in their desire to bring out a new feature. There are also some titles that never seem to appear on used lists, so I patiently wait till those sales come around. It's also nice to think that the brand new film you're threading up was printed just for you!

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted March 11, 2006 06:49 PM

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"It's also nice to think that the brand new film you're threading up was printed just for you!"

Yes thats nice, Doug...I hadn't looked at it like that [Smile]

[Smile]

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Dan Lail
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posted March 11, 2006 07:23 PM

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All used prints for me. I just can't afford the new ones. Although, I bought a film lot of several 16mm features(many were Blackhawks)and several had absolutely no wear other than preprint. I have bought a couple of sealed never opened super 8 digests. I have a super 8 Wizard Of Oz feature I bought on eBay for $225.00 that's gorgeous LPP with no wear. It's a Derann.

[ March 12, 2006, 03:24 PM: Message edited by: Dan Lail ]

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Jan Bister
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posted March 12, 2006 10:09 AM

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Dan, that was awesome... how you just casually remarked "It's a Derann." Has a very marketable ring to it, kinda like "It's a Sony." I love it. [Smile]

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Craig Hamilton
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posted March 12, 2006 11:05 AM

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Jan, dont mention the word Sony please. It makes my blood boil at the moment.

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Uwe Brengel
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posted March 12, 2006 01:56 PM

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Hi Folks,

most of my super 8 full length features I have bought new from Derann and other companies. "Master and Commander" was the latest one.

And if there would be no collectors bying new prints, others couldn't buy used prints [Wink]

[Wink]

Bying new films means keeping our hobby alive. Hi Derann, what about a new release?! [Smile]

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Alan Rik
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posted March 12, 2006 05:39 PM

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I will buy the smaller trailers and special cut downs new but the features, except for Grease Scope I have purchased second hand. There must not be that many people buying new because the second hand lists look smaller and smaller everyday.
For instance:
Here is a copy of the list of Titles on Derann's list of a October 2001:
695 : POLTERGEIST II, 3x180m ’scope/stereo - A - £169.99

1986. Spine shivering sequel with good special effects. JoBeth Williams and Craig T. Nelson star.

696 : ALIEN, 4x180m ‘scope/stereo - A - £199.99

1979. Scary and highly successful shocker starring Tom Skerritt and Sigourney Weaver. No longer

available new.

710 : THE SWORD IN THE STONE, 1x450m (fits 360m capacity machine) - A - £99.99

1963. Animated Disney tale in which a young forest boy becomes King Arthur. Plastic container with original label.

732 : STAR WARS, 4x180m ’scope/stereo - A - £299.99

1977. One of the top grossing films of all time and an early print without negative marks. No longer

available new. Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford star.

733 : THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE, 4x120m - A - £79.99

1974. Cult horror thriller directed by Tobe Hooper and starring Marilyn Burns. Slight colour fade.

736 : DRACULA, 5x120m - A - £169.99

1958. Definitive re-make of the 1931 original. Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee star.

737 : KING KONG, 6x120m b/w (on b/w film stock) - A - £99.99

1933. The greatest monster movie of them all, full of trickery and suspense. Robert Armstrong, Faye Wray and Bruce Cabot star.

741 : THE SEVENTH VOYAGE OF SINBAD, 5x120m - A - £149.99

1958. Lively fantasy with superb Ray Harryhausen special effects. Kerwin Mathews and Kathryn Grant star. Some light red printing marks in places (all prints similar). No longer available.

745 : A BUG’S LIFE, 4x180m ’scope/stereo - A - £179.99

1998. Excellent computer animated Disney feature. A saving of £100 on a new print!

I mean take a look at that list? That was an incredible time of revival for Super 8. I can't remember the last time I saw Bugs Life on a list. And Star Wars..? I have seen it but unless you are caller number 7.. you will not get the title.
I love the feature length films but it is so ironic that the whole nature of Super 8 was supposed to be amateur and low cost yet the films cost SO much money new.
I assume that in 2001 Derann were probably producing more films as well.

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Jan Bister
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posted March 12, 2006 11:28 PM

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Craig, what's the matter with So-- I mean, with the S word? [Confused]

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Ralf Hoff
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posted March 13, 2006 01:31 AM

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Hello Guys,

I also bought many of my feature films new from derann. For example films like Return of the jedi, Generations, The fugitive, speed, die hard etc.

The last new print I ordered by derann was master and commander.

I think there are still some people who buy films new. But these people now buy films they like and the chance that these titels are on the second hand list are very small.

I think for example M & C will not often see on the second hand list in the future.

I also buy second hand prints but only from films that no longer available. For example the feature of Scars of Dracula is no longer available new from derann. So I must buy a second hand print to own this title.

Wich every new print Derann sales the chance they make more new films and titles rises up.

So what are the titles for the next new releases????? T3 or Jurassic Park 3???? Gimme, gimme, Gimme,

Many greetings to all Super 8 fans

Ralf Hoff

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Alex Fox
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posted March 13, 2006 11:50 AM

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Hi, I to buy NEW FEATURES when I can from DERANN just bought CAROUSEL great print ,I also buy second hand if something come up on the list that I would like, but as KEVIN says better new if you can. Just my thought. Alex.

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Adrian Winchester
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posted March 13, 2006 01:31 PM

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I haven't bought a new feature for a few years but I've bought quite a few in the past and I would again if it was a title I really wanted. Whenever any of us buys a used print, maybe for a bargain price, we have reason to be grateful to whoever bought it new - as otherwise there would be no new releases and such opportunities wouldn't exist!

Buying new Super 8 prints has never been an economical hobby, but prices have not kept pace with inflation. I recall that the last Walton price list I saw, from about 1981, had 200' reels going for something like £19.99, so it's surprising that the going rate for a new 200' is now as low as £26. I also recall 'Aliens' being about £379 when it was first released on Super 8 around 1988, so it's quite something that M&C (which is virtually the same length) is 'only' £349.99!

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John Clancy
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posted March 14, 2006 02:49 AM

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Very well said Adrian! We're all prone to think Super 8 is expensive but when you compare today's prices with those of 25 years ago it isn't. DVD is phenomenally cheap given the quality on offer but you just can't beat those big reels turning round.

If a feature comes along in the future and I'm not completely skint then I'll always be in the market to purchase. If nothing else, it helps to keep the hobby going.

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Uwe Brengel
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posted March 14, 2006 02:58 PM

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Hi friends,
what do you think about a full feature release of "Wallace and Gromit in Curse of the Were-Rabbit". I think this would be very nice on super 8...
[Big Grin]

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Osi Osgood
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posted March 16, 2006 04:38 PM

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I almost never buy brand new. Super 8 films are like new cars. The moment you've bought them they go down in value "just driven off the lot". That, and I just couldn't afford them as an american collector.

Only one have I bought brand new ... Star Wars.

Besides that, most of the films I buy these days are Optical sound features, and while I have had incredible luck in the quality I have recieved, these are never brand new. (unless they come on cores.)

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