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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted October 04, 2006 04:08 AM

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I was offered "Assault On precinct 13" and "Never Ending Story" which were told from Derann.

If it so, what you would say regarding the print? are they printed on low fade stock?

Also if you could tell the story...any worth to have them in 8mm (considering the price, surely).

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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posted October 04, 2006 04:12 AM

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Winbert, being a great fan of John Carpenter, I would recommend buying Assault. It's a very fast paced cut-down, if you're into action and gunfights. A "reel" classic for a 600ft. Isn't Assault from PM Film? (not sure, though...)

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted October 04, 2006 04:23 AM

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Thanks JM,

But what about the print? (this is due to the facts that not ALL Derann will keep the color)

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Rob Young.
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posted October 04, 2006 05:51 AM

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Winbert, "Never Ending Story" was printed by Derann in the mid-1980's and I'm sure other forum members will back me up in saying that colours on releases from this era are not prone to the fade of earlier relases.

I used to have a copy and it was very nice indeed and well edited.

An interesting aside; during this time Derann offered this title as either mono or stereo (stereo being £10 more!) so both mono and stereo prints exist.

"Assault" was a PM release originally but was re-printed by Derann in about 1987. Again, if this is a Derann re-print, I don't think fade should be an issue.

I've never seen the "Assualt" print but I've owned copies of "Watership Down" from both PM and Derann (the re-print) and the Derann version was much sharper.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted October 04, 2006 06:00 AM

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Thanks Rob,

This makes me clear regarding the print and who released them.

Can anyone tell me what is the exact duration of these two releases and what are the reel size used for them?

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Rob Young.
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posted October 04, 2006 06:07 AM

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Both were released as 1 x 600ft edited versions.

You'd have to guess running time, but about 25 minutes or so I'd say.

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Mal Brake
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posted October 04, 2006 08:43 AM

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My 'scope print of 'Never Ending Story' has kept its colour and is a very sharp print. I have the mono version and the sound is very good.
The story is well edited
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Dave Cragg
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posted October 04, 2006 12:35 PM

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How can 'Never Ending Story' last for 25 minutes?
Surely that's a contradiction in terms? [Big Grin]

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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posted October 04, 2006 01:58 PM

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My print of Assault has not faded. It's a bit dark but so is the film (mostly night scenes). I can't compare with the Derann print.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted October 05, 2006 12:50 AM

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Thanks for all replies.

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John Clancy
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posted October 05, 2006 05:59 AM

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Assault on Precinct 13 overfills the reel so must run for at least 30 minutes. If anyone has seen 'The Men Behind the Movies' series then you'll know this was cut down by Howard Billingham (BBC) and ended up being a real favourite of his.

The feature is a masterpiece (I hope they don't ever attempt to remake that one... oh dear!) and this 600ft reel is just as good. When I first saw it when first released I was convinced it was even better than the feature.

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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posted October 05, 2006 06:20 AM

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John, catch up, will you? They remade it two years ago. It was not great but far from being a catastrophe.

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Andrew Wilson
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posted October 05, 2006 04:06 PM

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When RALPH MCGILL left super8 to go to the half a picture format(video);DERANN got the rights...So DERANN are still going strong,and thank god they are,while PMFILMS are no longer trading.
So who had the last laugh eh?.Andy.

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posted October 05, 2006 04:43 PM

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John, I stand corrected on the running time of "Assault".

Darn it, now I want a copy too... [Smile]

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John Clancy
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posted October 06, 2006 03:26 AM

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I'd like a copy too Rob!!! My best mate bought a copy when we were growing up and he still has it to this day. Whenever he tried to thread it up loads of it would fall onto the floor as it overfilled the reel so much.

Jean-Marc, I was joking about hoping it doesn't get remade. I deliberately avoided it as remakes in general just sour my opinion of the original. Something I forget about in time but John Carpenter's film is one of my favourites - as are many of his films. I met the chap in 1994 and got him to sign my UK theatrical release 'Halloween' poster.

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Tom Photiou
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posted October 06, 2006 05:12 AM

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I agree this is a very good 600ft and a very full one, i watched it last night and it does run for a full 30 minuites, only gripe is its not scope and slight softness in the some pats of the picture show this as does a wee bit of pan and scan however, the editing and fast paced action makes this one of the best cut downs on 8mm. It does crop up from time to time on the lists and is usually a very reasonably priced reel.

My next investment is the two DVDs men behind the movies, to my discrace i have yet to see either [Embarrassed]

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John Clancy
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posted October 07, 2006 03:31 AM

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And it takes multiple viewings of this reel to finally realize one of the main characters is killed and you don't even notice.

So when are you coming over Tom?

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Eberhard Nuffer
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posted October 08, 2006 10:30 AM

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Derann's scope digest of NEVER ENDING STORY is great indeed, very sharp and with nice colours. This reel is also very full - according to the counter of my Elmo, the print is 185 meters long, which means it runs for 30 and a half minutes.
A full length scope version of NEVER ENDING STORY was released by the German company Harnischmacher by the end of the 1980's, but collectors were very disappointed due to poor focus of the prints.

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John Higgins
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posted July 13, 2010 05:35 AM

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Hi,

Just did as search (thanks Rob Young). Great to see some of the other comments about it. Of course, these were posted before the very inferior Ethan Hawke remake, which broke the key rule of the original - nobody is allowed to leave the Precinct alive.

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John Clancy
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posted July 14, 2010 02:41 AM

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Interestingly John, I did see the first half an hour or so of the remake but couldn't take any more and had to turn it off.

It's been interesting re-reading this thread from 2006 as I'd forgotten a lot of the information I typed in myself. Wonderful to get these memories back. I think I'll be purchasing the 600ft reel next time I see it on a list.

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