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Michael O'Regan
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From: Essex, UK
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posted October 04, 2008 01:19 PM

From what I can make out S8 projectors in general do not come with an accompanying speaker, unlike 16mm machines. Is this correct?
Are there any S8 projectors that come with a speaker?
What do you people use for your shows?

-Mike

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Mal Brake
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Neath, South Wales, UK
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posted October 04, 2008 01:48 PM

Hi Mike,
As you know, I do a number of shows a year for a few different societies. The size of the venues determine how any speakers I use and with what amplification.
I have 4 Elmo speakers and 2 Sony ones at my disposal and I have used that combination with a Sony amp in a very large social club. For the smaller venues two of the larger Elmo speakers are used, sometimes with the Sony and other times with the Craven amp designed for use with 8mm projectors by the late Harry Garlick
Just to drift a little off-topic ..
A circuit diagram for a neat device was posted on this forum a few years ago. It enabled the use of an external amp to be plugged into the speaker socket of the Elf 16mm m/c's again for use in larger venues. We made the little unit and it works very well.
There were a few 8mm projectors with external speakers. Going from memory (a dangerous thing these days [Wink]

) I think Silma and Braun had some projectors with speakers in a detachable case. Somebody will correct me if I'm wrong [Smile]

see you on the 18th,
Mal

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Claus Harding
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posted October 04, 2008 01:59 PM

For both Super8/16 I use an external, self-powered Samson 80A Resolv speaker with treble adjustment on the back.

On the Elmo 1200, I take 'line out' to the speaker and let it do the amping; on the 16-mils, I come out of the 'speaker out' with the internal volume set fairly low, and, again, let the speaker handle the real amplification.

Claus.

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Joe Taffis
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posted October 04, 2008 04:59 PM

I've always used my old ACOUSTIC brand speaker cabinet (2X15" speakers), from when I played bass guitar in local bands. I never had a stereo projector, so it works well with the ELMOs & CHINON. It easily connects from the external speaker outputs on all three machines. [Smile]

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James E. Stubbs
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posted October 05, 2008 12:17 AM

I allways run a cable from the back of the room to my Yamaha reciever. It has a setting for mono movies that works great. Plus there are several other settings and enhancements that make S8 sound great! Surround sound super 8!

I recently purcahsed a good FM RF modulator of the type you use to play your MP3 player in car over your radio. Since this Phillips unit is powered by a USB type jack at 5 volts, any standart USB port or cell/mp3 charger that's 5 volts will power it. So rather than running the cable accross the room which is a bit of a pain and unsightly, and I've broken a few tripping on them, I'll be transmitting the S8 sound wirelessly over the FM to my Receiver. This will work pretty much with any type of wirelesss transmitter/reciever set up, or wireless speakers.
Cheers,

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Maurice Leakey
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posted October 05, 2008 01:53 AM

Mike

The Braun Visacustic Super 8 projector comes with a separate speaker, it has no internal speaker.

It is used in three ways. The projector clips to the speaker and sits on top. The speaker has a small screen which can be used for editing with a throw of a couple of feet. Or, the attached lead can be run out for placing by the screen.

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Michael O'Regan
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posted October 05, 2008 02:45 AM

Is there a particular reason why 8mm projectors, for the most part, do not come with separate speakers?

-Mike

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Maurice Leakey
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posted October 05, 2008 02:50 AM

To keep down cost?

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Michael O'Regan
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posted October 05, 2008 03:17 AM

You mean because they were meant for the home market, whereas 16mm projectors were more for professional use?

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Bart Smith
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posted October 05, 2008 04:06 AM

I would have thought that an equally compelling reason why is simply due to the lower light output of most 8mm projectors. As a result in order to have an adequately bright image the projector has to be nearer the screen, therefore the projector is nearer the audience, and so the internal speaker is easier to hear.

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted October 05, 2008 05:50 AM

Elmo produced some extension speakers for use with their equipment and they sound great. I have heard both the ES500 and own the ES1000. They were reputedly designed to get the best from Mag sound etc and I have to say the ES1000's do a really smashing job of making the GS1200 sound superb on both Mag and Optical tracks. They are supplied as a pair which close up to form one carry case.

They do crop up from time to time on ebay and dealers lists and I can really recommend them.
The ES500 are 5" fullrange, the ES800 are 8" with small tweeters and the the ES1000 likewise are 10" with tweeters. All were sold as pairs with Stereo sound in mind. The ES1000 can be plugged together and used on mono machines as the units are 16 ohm which presents the amp with 8 ohm in a mono setup. Elmo supplied a din socket in the rear of one speaker for this type of use. Dont know if they did that with the other models.

Kev.

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Mal Brake
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posted October 05, 2008 07:17 AM

Hi Kev,
I have the ES500 and ES800 sets. The 800 did have the din socket you refer to but we removed it to suit our own particular set up. The 500 didn't have the socket.
regards,
Mal

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peter booth
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From: scarborough,north yorkshire
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posted October 15, 2008 06:22 AM

Hi Michael,
I have a pair of Elmo ES500 speakers for sale,I would offer to you before putting them on Ebay,regards,Peter.

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