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Topic: "I Love Lucy" on super 8!
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Steve Klare
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From: Long Island, NY, USA
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posted February 03, 2009 06:07 PM
This is what the Wikipedia article about "The Honeymooners" said.
"In 1955, most television shows were performed live and recorded using kinescope technology. One notable exception was I Love Lucy, which was recorded directly onto 35 mm film. For The Honeymooners, Gleason utilized the Electronicam TV-film system, developed by DuMont in the early 1950s."
Kinescope had a film camera filming off a video monitor, so it was video capture and broadcast, then film recording. I remember hearing 16mm for "I love Lucy", but then again you can't count on people knowing the difference.
Dumont Electronicam was interesting: the visual image was split for broadcast by a video camera and captured by a film camera too. This made for much better quality on rebroadcast since it was still first generation.
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Jim Carlile
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posted February 04, 2009 12:19 AM
Well, some corrections are in order. 'Lucy' was shot in 35mm, but the syndication prints were in 16mm. Alan Hale did indeed own his restaurant on La Cienaga Blvd., called 'The Lobster Barrel' back when that whole area was known as 'Restaurant Row' (Lawry's is still there-- the last of the old timers.)
Gleason's original 'Honeymooners' with Pert Kelton (before she was blacklisted) were kinescopes off the tube, a few of the Audrey Meadows snippets are too, but the half-hour ones we all know are in 35mm. They were pre-recorded like movies, not live, but all in one piece, and in New York City, too, in 1955-- the move to Miami Beach was later, about 63-64.
http://www.geocities.com/rmm413/Honeymooners.html
It is a trip that Karl Freund was Lucy's first DP, and later the great Sid Hickox, another classic Warner Brothers lensman ('The Big Sleep,' etc. etc.)
Ah, the days when age was venerated. And it showed, too.
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Tony Stucchio
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posted February 05, 2009 06:30 PM
It says:
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The video material was transmitted live to a control room where the director selected edits and camera angles, much in the same manner employed today on three-camera newscasts.
The director's video editing choices were later fed into kinescope equipment to create a "teletranscription" — a blueprint of how the program appeared during broadcast. The teletranscription was then synchronized to the 35mm film reels that were sent off for editing. The archival film versions of each episode — shot on Kodak's Tri-X stock — were later used for delayed broadcasts and reruns.
The use of the words "live", and "a blueprint of how the program appeared during broadcast", implies a live broadcast. I checked one of my old Honeymooners books, and it is clear that they were never broadcast live -- the "Classic 39", that is.
Steve states:
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Dumont Electronicam was interesting: the visual image was split for broadcast by a video camera and captured by a film camera too. This made for much better quality on rebroadcast since it was still first generation.
With all due respect, Steve, that is not true regarding the broadcast. Unless, of course, another show used Dumont Electronicam, and that it what you are saying. But not for the Honeymooners.
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Paul Adsett
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posted March 07, 2009 10:09 AM
I do not normally collect TV shows, but I made an exception with 'The Honeymooners' and purchased the Classic 39 episode collection a couple of days ago. What a revelation! If you have only seen 'The Honeymooners' on TV, this package is a real eye opener, with pin sharp picture quality and gorgeous black and white contrast. Paramount have done a wonderful restoration job. Shown on a video projector in a darkened room, these shows are shear joy to watch. Thank God for Dumont's Electronicam system that simultaneously filmed these shows through a beam-splitter on the TV camera.
The comedy of The Kramden's is truly timeless and 'The Honeymooners' is today more popular than ever.
I wonder if 'The Honeymooners' was ever showed in the UK, and if so how well it was received.
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well worth looking out for a good colour print if you can find one, also available Region 1 DVD, highly recommend in either form.
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