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Brad Kimball
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posted February 06, 2009 10:44 PM

Does the U/8 version of "Creature" require red-blue or red-green 3d glasses? I have one pair that say "Deep Vision" on the front and they're red-blue, but I don't know if these are the correct ones to use.

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Douglas Meltzer
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posted February 07, 2009 11:45 AM

Brad,

Red-Blue. And watch out for that Bat!

Doug

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Brad Kimball
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posted February 07, 2009 06:06 PM

Yes. Those are the ones I have. Thanks. My print must be fading because the 3d effect isn't as good as I remembered. It's almost flat. I had to keep removing the glasses periodically to see if I noticed any difference. I also wear glasses for an astygmatism so that, too, I suppose could be contributing to it - maybe.

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Douglas Meltzer
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posted February 08, 2009 03:35 PM

Brad,

The original print I bought back in 1977 has faded, so the 3-D effect is gone. I picked another one up on eBay that works very nicely.

Doug

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Brad Kimball
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posted February 08, 2009 07:53 PM

Does Derann still offer this title NEW? If so, how is it - is it the same scene-for-scene or is it an entirely new version?

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Paul Adsett
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posted February 09, 2009 09:25 AM

Hi Brad,
Yes, you can still get this title NEW from Derann. It is identical to the Universal 8 400ft digest, minus the U8 logo's at the beginning and end, and of course minus that great U8 packaging. I bought a print last year from Derann and it came with two sets of red-green 3D glasses. The 3D effect is about the same as the original U8. As I still had the original, now faded, U8 release I used the original clamshell case and re-printed a cleaned up image of the box cover art.

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Ricky Daniels
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posted February 09, 2009 01:27 PM

Brad,

Sorry to disagree but I recall the 35mm, 16mm and 8mm prints of this 70's re-release in Anaglyphic 3-D was printed RED/GREEN... in fact I have CFTBL, Revenge of the CREATURE and MAD MAGICIAN all on 16mm in Anglyph and they are RED/GREEN.

Or look at the projected image without the glasses and you should see the separate coloured images whatever colour they are [Eek!]

Rick.

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Douglas Meltzer
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posted February 09, 2009 03:01 PM

Ricky,

Both of Universal 8's Super 8mm 3-D releases (Creature, It came From Outer Space) definitely require red-blue glasses.

The glasses for Columbia's 400' "Mad Magician" (top) are also red-blue, but the blue leans to more of a turquoise shade. The glasses for Columbia's older 200' silent 3-D version of that title (bottom) are red-green.

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Paul Adsett
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posted February 09, 2009 03:30 PM

Hi Doug,
Derann are shipping the red-green glasses in their current new prints of 'Creature'. I will have to get some red-blue glasses to see if it improves on the 3D effect.

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Gary Crawford
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posted February 10, 2009 07:18 AM

I was EXTREMELY disappointed in the new Derann print of Creature. Soft....lacking detail....and lacking much 3d....I bought it to replace my original U8 print which has faded a bit...BUT the other night I ran an experiment. Running the two side by side.....the result is that the U8 print is still far superior in focus, detail and even in the 3 d effect...also the final end title music is there on the original...totally cut off in the Derann. I'll be selling my Derann print..which is a great disappointment.

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Paul Adsett
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posted February 10, 2009 07:31 AM

Gary, I was also disappointed when I screened my new print of Creature, there is a lot of double imageing and 'crosstalk' - I was expecting a much better print. I think Doug may be onto something about the glasses though. Is it possible that Derann are shipping the wrong color glasses? We all know how Derann color prints seem to lean towards the blue end of the spectrum, so maybe Doug is right and the correct glasses are red-blue NOT red-green.

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Brad Kimball
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posted February 10, 2009 08:55 AM

Let us know what the final vote is as far as red/blue or red/green and if it made a difference. I wouldn't want to invest in a print if it's really no better than the one I already have.

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Ricky Daniels
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posted February 11, 2009 05:36 AM

Guys,

All I can say is look at the print projected without the glasses on and you'll soon see what colour glasses you need to decode the 3-D, faded prints or otherwise... and they didn't always include the correct coloured filter glasses either!

UK STD8 prints of Mad Magician contained glasses with the printed legend "the boldest look you ever took in Paradisio". "Paradisio" (1961) was a soft porn film presented in anaglyphic 3-D!

The colour-timing, density and contrast of the print, colour temperature of the projector lamp, screen brightness, chromatic values and density of the glasses filters will all contribute to the success or failure of the 3-D effect... a tall order for professional 35mm Anaglyph release prints let alone Super8mm reduction prints! But it's fun when it 'works', I like to refer to this process as 'comic book 3-D'.

Just lately with the success of Digital 3-D I read many articles which deride early 3-D cinema and often refer to the systems used previously as being 'the Red and Green 3-D of your parents era'! Obviously these reporters don't do their homework as we all know this title (CFTBL) and the majority of 50's and 70's 3-D movies were shot and screened in polarised systems, which when presented correctly were very good to perfect. Sorry for the rant but there is so much misinformation around!

[Wink]

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Martin Jones
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posted February 11, 2009 06:34 AM

My guess,Ricky, is that, like me, you have no time for the attempts to produce full colour 3-D using ANAGLYPHS.

Martin

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Ricky Daniels
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posted February 11, 2009 06:53 AM

Hey Martin, I've plenty of anaglyph films and enjoy them for what they are [Smile]

BTW I'm a Senior Telecine Colourist (in a not too) past life.

[ February 13, 2009, 02:56 AM: Message edited by: Ricky Daniels ]

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Gary Crawford
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posted February 11, 2009 07:54 AM

Paul, I have many different glasses at home...bluish, greenish, you name it...it made no difference with the Derann Creature print. Even projected withOUT any glasses, the old U8 print was much much sharper. It's as if Derann took a 16mm print and just duped it. I also returned the Stooges 3D film, =Pardon My Backfire...but this one was due to a printing error. the green side was jittering left and right on the screen....and it was awful.

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Ricky Daniels
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posted October 22, 2009 03:41 AM

Brad and Douglas (and anyone else who cares!),

Here's an interesting thing you may like to see. This guy is selling a RED and GREEN anaglyph print of U8's Creature from the Black Lagoon! [Cool]

Best,
Rick

http://cgi.ebay.com/Creature-from-the-Black-Lagoon-low-fade-3-D-sup8snd400_W0QQitemZ120482079051QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Film?hash=item1c0d4aa14b#ht_500wt_1182

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