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Anton Juan-Jorge Caro
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Posts: 24
From: Slovakia, Bratislava
Registered: Jan 2008
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posted June 28, 2011 04:30 PM
Oh. Thanks. Duplicating!!! I am not a native English speaker, guys!!! My fantasy knows no limits, as you see!!!
"Around me" is quite a stretchy thing - I see no problem to send it to Pro8 - I was searching their web site today, but I could not extract the information that they would duplicate regular 8 film.
Transfer to DVD is fine, I would do it (at ANDEC), but because this film is a record of a very important social event for a certain community, a copy on fresh film is also desirable (or at least I think it would have some value - for projection purposes. I have a wonderful Bolex M8 ... xaxa.
Some people advised me wet-gate blow-up to 16 mm? Would you consider this a good choice?
This film is ca. 70 years old and looks fine. I would presume that some 70 years more would make almost no difference to it. And then... no idea. The DVD would stay forever on a server, HDD, whatever.
I will contact Pro8 tomorrow. Thanks.
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Martin Baumgarten
Junior
Posts: 7
From: Plattsburgh, New York USA
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 27, 2011 11:47 PM
Duplication of Regular 8mm movie film in B&W is still very doable. Since the film is so old though, I recommend proper cleaning and treatment (such as FilmRenew which will make the filmbase pliable somewhat, since very old film often is brittle). I also recommend digital transfer so that should anything happen to the original film, you will not have lost the images. Once a digital transfer has been made of high quality, you can do some digital adjustments in software programs on the computer. The final film can be refilmed off a monitor or TV screen, albeit some artifacts, and at least you'll have a new film that can be projected.
Also, the original film can be either contact printed or optically duplicated onto 8mm film, or Super 8mm film, or 16mm film. Contact printing can cause some out-of-focus parts of the film if the original film has lots of warping due to age. I had this problem on doing some old family films, but since film was desired, the occasional blips were acceptable. I have contact printed Regular 8mm film here many times at PPS and yes contact printing to the same format does have some quality loss, but it's subjective, and relative to the purposes of the customer. I think it still looks pretty good, as long as film is cleaned and not warped. The prices you quote for duplication are very expensive! I understand why, but suggest you just carefully set up and do something on your own. Sometimes the easiest method, works the best for some purposes, despite not being the same high quality as what a full lab can offer at much higher cost.
Alternatively, you can also carefully setup and just refilm the film using any movie camera and filmstock. Careful framing is necessary and an accurate reflex finder camera is best, otherwise use whatever means necessary to line everything up accurately. Since refilming, without frame-by-frame synching, (unless doing an extremely slow frame by frame refilm, using single frame methods)....you will get some image density pulsing due to the out-of-phase shutters in the camera and projecor. But for short films, shot at 16fps or 18fps, the effect is minimal and tolerable. I know tolerable is relative and subjective, but you'd have to try it yourself to see if it's okay for your needs.
If you use an "XL" type Super 8mm camera, there will be the least amount of image density pulsing, due to the larger shutter opening of 220 degrees or better. I have done this many times over the years so that there would be a FILM version of an old film that can still be projected. So, the options for experimenting are there for the do it yourself methods. FINALLY....whatever you decide to do.....FIRST clean the film and treat it...and make a high quality digital (preferred or even analog) transfer...BEFORE you send the film to any lab. That way, at least you'll still have the images to work with from the film, should anything happen to the film at the lab or in shipping. I understand how some communities still prefer film, so these methods will allow you to still have a new film version for projection purposes.....and have a digital video version also.
Also, your english is fine. If I could speak your language half as well, I would be very pleased.
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