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Topic: Why Some Blackhawk Titles Are 18FPS?
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Osi Osgood
Film God
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From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted March 18, 2012 08:15 PM
Quite true Hugh ...
Therefore, it's aq simple fix. Just slow down your projector to 18 fps!
However, it is of note, that Blackhawk actually released some 16 or 18 fps silents as 24 fps sound shorts, with an orchestrated soundtrack, sometimes an organ.. One such short I used to have, "Barney Oldfields Race for Life". It was one of the Silver Box editions. I believe our own Shorty bought it from me.
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
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posted March 19, 2012 01:40 PM
Good points Micheal ...
also, Blackhawk did release some sound titles, without sound, especially Laurel and Hardy shorts, as silents, and at a lowered 18 fps. One title I have, just for novelties sake, is "The Music Box" with subtitlesm supplied by Blackhawk, and it does fit onto one very full 400ft reel. Brats is also a sound title released at 18fps. I had forgotten that I had that one.
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Allan Broadfield
Master Film Handler
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From: Bromley, Kent
Registered: Nov 2010
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posted March 19, 2012 02:01 PM
Does seem odd that some companies would go to the trouble of supplying 18fps prints of sound releases.
When I was a kid in the late forties, early fifties I was a 9.5 enthusiast, and used to rent films from a silent library in a chemist shop in Shepherds Bush (UK). Often the titles were silent versions of sound releases, and in my ignorance I would wonder why people would appear to move rather slowly. Pathescope, the suppliers, didn't bother to correct the speed, just supply titles to explain the proceedings. The prints, though, were of excellent quality and edited to cut out too much yakking on the parts of the actors.
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Michael De Angelis
Phenomenal Film Handler
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From: USA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted March 19, 2012 04:08 PM
Osi,
My foray into Blackhawk Films was collecting silent editions
of Laurel & Hardy sound films. A new film in standard 8mm was $13.95,
and on a budget it was difficult to purchase more. When Blackhawk had
sales or especially 1/2 price silents at $8.99 I was in pure heaven.
This was the only way I could enjoy the films. I became inventive and taped
the sound tracks on a cassette tape and later syncing it to the projector.
Sure it was wild sound, but with my hand on the pause button, I learned
exactly when and where to cue the voices to perfection.
The family loved it too and when I nailed it dead on, they were very satisfied.
The action did not appear as slow as the Castle, Ken, Columbia, editions,
so it worked out very well.
This was the most meaningful method to build a small library collection.
If it was impossible to find the original track, I would then make my own.
dubbing the voices against a honky tonk record.
There was a company in NYC, that sold 200' silent editions of L&H shorts.
My first one was the Laurel - Hardy Murder Case.
It had all of the action scenes one after the next. I used a halloween sound effects
record LP that was made by Disney. Screaming cats, howling wolves, blood
screeching screams, driving wind storms, lightening, and pouring rain were some of the few.
Later on, I found the original soundtrack and recorded over my home made track and the family
was very disappointed that I ruined my improvement over the original.
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Isn't it great that we can all communicate about this great
hobby that we love!
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