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Topic: Eumig 810D Lux projector questions and issue with rewind

Patrick Tung
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From: Singapore
Registered: Apr 2012

posted May 30, 2012 06:17 AM

I got one of the Eumig 810D from a super 8 reseller in Austria last month. I faced certain issues with this projector and also would like to ask certain questions regarding this projector.

When I finish watching a film (24fps), I set the film to rewind from reel to reel without going through the film gate. The rewind was good for a while. After 100ft or so, the rewind gradually slows down and stops. I tried putting the projector to 'stop' and let it rest for a while before rewinding. The same rewind issue continued. A very strange thing I found out was that if the projector is set to 18 fps, rewind would not be a problem. [Confused]

Secondly, can I remove the film from the projector midway? I can't seem to find instructions on how to do this in the manual.

Thirdly, regarding the reverse projection feature. Do it play at 24 fps if the projector is set to 24 fps? What is that feature for anyway?

Fourthly, sometimes the image flickers quite a bit, i have to put it to stop and start playing again a few times to get it right. Can I press the threading lever while the film is playing?

Thanks in advance for the questions as this is my very first super 8 projector.

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Lee Mannering
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posted May 30, 2012 07:01 AM

Hello Patrick.
Yes you can press the loop forming lever when the film is running as this will stabilise the image on screen providing the actual film is in good shape.

To get the reverse going do the following:
Un plug from mains
Remove the 2 screws from black back cover
Inside the machine you will see the two black discs which are the drives for forward and reverse. These will need carefully cleaning with a very clean cloth (not duster). You will need to apply some Iso-Propyl Alcohol onto the cloth then clean the black discs with it. You should also clean the chrome disc in-between the two black discs and this is the main motor drive. Once dry you then replace the black back and you should have rewind working again.

The projector has 2 main projector speeds 18 and 24 frames per second. Films that were made at home were in the main filmed at 18fps and films you buy ready made run at 24fps. If you buy cartoons etc off ebay for instance they will run at 24fps.

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Patrick Tung
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From: Singapore
Registered: Apr 2012

posted May 31, 2012 11:38 AM

Hi Lee Mannering, I followed your instructions, it was very useful! I got the rewind to work again. Thank you so much!

Would like to ask a question from my previous post. Can I remove the film from the film treading path midway?

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Dino Everette
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From: Long Beach, CA USA
Registered: Dec 2008

posted June 04, 2012 04:41 PM

Patrick, no..... once the film has run itself into the sound head area you will have to run it all the way through...

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Patrick Tung
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From: Singapore
Registered: Apr 2012

posted June 29, 2012 02:07 AM

I just bought some standard 8mm film and encountered issues when playing standard 8. I followed the instructions in the manual to change the film pressure plate and removed the 2 guiding wheels (large and small) to use standard 8. The threading is successful and the film transports works well from feeding to take up reel. However, when the projector is set to projection mode, the film starts to come out of the the threading lever. The take up reel can been seen to slow down to almost a stop. When it is set back to threading mode, it is back to normal again. I have linked a youtube video to show my problem. Are there any parts I missed out in using standard 8?
This projector plays super 8 well.
Youtube link 810D standard 8 issue

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frank arnstein
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From: Gold Coast. Australia
Registered: Jan 2005

posted June 29, 2012 04:35 AM

Hi Patrick

When you changed the sprockets over, did you close the locking lever on the rear sprocket?
Looks like the rear sprocket is not able to pull the film through the sound head when you switch to sound on. This small lever is easy to forget about but it must be properly closed after replacing sockets or the film can come off the rear sprocket teeth and cause trouble like you have got now.

Tell us what you find.

dogtor frankarnstein [Razz]

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Patrick Tung
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From: Singapore
Registered: Apr 2012

posted June 29, 2012 01:25 PM

Hi frankarnstein,
You mean that there are 2 sets of sprockets? One for Super 8 and another for Standard 8? I only have 1 set of sprockets as seen in the image. The seller did not include the standard 8? Below is the image on how I play standard 8. I did push up the lever but did not use any sprockets.

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Martin Jones
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posted June 29, 2012 02:13 PM

There are variants on the 810D depending on its features and when it was built. Some types have permanently fixed Standard 8 sprockets with Super 8 sprockets that fit over them (I have an 810D Lux HQS which has that configuration).I also have an 810D with completely separate Standard and Super 8 sprockets (your picture shows that yours is that type also). It sounds as if you have the latter type BUT an Instruction Book for the former type!
You SHOULD HAVE 4 removable sprockets, 2 Aperture plates and 2 pressure plates.

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frank arnstein
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From: Gold Coast. Australia
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posted June 29, 2012 04:49 PM

Hi Patrick

You can't project film on that Eumig without using sprockets.
The other sprockets could still be there....
Have you looked under the lamphouse cover? Thats where they are usually stored.

I see in the picture you do have the other set of aperture parts so the Standard 8mm sprockets should be there too.

good luck searching,,

dogtor frankarnstein
[Razz]

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Patrick Tung
Junior
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From: Singapore
Registered: Apr 2012

posted June 29, 2012 10:28 PM

I checked the lamp house cover. Indeed its empty! I hope the seller at super8film.at will send me the 2 sprockets. He told me everything was in full working condition when I purchased it.

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Martin Jones
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From: Thetford , Norfolk,England
Registered: May 2008

posted June 30, 2012 02:18 AM

Yes, Patrick, the Standard 8 sprockets are stored inside the Lamp-house cover in your model, on two shiny spindles. They should be dark brown or black in colour, unlike the Super 8 ones which are light grey, as in your photo.
Martin

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