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Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on December 20, 2012, 06:39 AM:

Ok folks its time to own up who has projected Star Wars on 8mm in 2012?

Me once. [Eek!]

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on December 20, 2012, 08:57 AM:

If you talk the feature, I will miss out on that joy :-(

I've seen the 400' version about 5 times the past month or so, if that counts :-)

And it will be more

Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on December 20, 2012, 09:44 AM:

I watched the feature once in 2012, and the digest twice (once for me, once with audience). Its great when you don't have time to watch the whole movie. I sometimes will watch just the second half of the digest, just for the edited death-star battle. That scene never gets old, even if its on the faded-side.

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on December 20, 2012, 03:00 PM:

Screenings can be from the 200ft reel up to the feature.

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on December 20, 2012, 03:17 PM:

Did the 200' two times today and the 400' yesterday

Posted by Dave Velazquez (Member # 3009) on December 20, 2012, 03:21 PM:

I first saw STAR WARS in 1977. I was 6 years old. I will never get tired of watching this movie.

Nostalgia for the original trilogy hits me twice a year...during the Summer and the holidays.

I have the 2x400' of both SW and Empire and they are very prized. I screened them about twice last Summer. Certainly I will be screening them in the next week or so.

And one day I will absolutely own a full length print of at least one of the three.

Merry Christmas!
btw...New Zealand has reported that the end of the world has not occurred.

Posted by Raymond Glaser (Member # 1766) on December 20, 2012, 03:24 PM:

I screened the 400 foot versions a bunch of times this year ( I would love to have the feature )

Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on December 20, 2012, 05:02 PM:

I got few months ago again the Derann full feature (german dubbed in Stereo). I had in the past another one and also a 16mm print and I´m very happy that I found this near mint perfect quality print.
I screened it immediately and it was a big fun.
I think I will screen it again next time.

[ December 21, 2012, 03:39 AM: Message edited by: Oemer Yalinkilic ]

Posted by Jonathan Trevithick (Member # 3066) on December 20, 2012, 05:19 PM:

Watched the 200' recently. Saw the blu-ray a few months back.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on December 20, 2012, 07:33 PM:

I screened it this year....2x! The Derann Version and the now moved on Cinevision. I prefer the Derann version myself.

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on December 20, 2012, 07:53 PM:

I can't remember the last time I watched the feature, but it must
be over ten years ago.I must make the effort,but I always get
sidetracked by something else.

Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on December 20, 2012, 08:31 PM:

Does Empire Strikes Back count? I believe I watched Star Wars this year but don't remember. For sure last year. I watched it in German first, then after recorded in English then I watched another print then even another print. So for sure in all I watched it 4 times last year.

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on December 21, 2012, 03:15 AM:

I Watched my ultimate cut-down once, sold the Derann version, and screened the last reel of the film in thirty-five many times.

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on December 21, 2012, 03:49 AM:

We ran all three Star Wars features sometime last month. I think I even ran my second Star Wars feature earlier in the year just to check it was still okay.

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on December 21, 2012, 05:25 AM:

Are you talking 16mm or is Return of the Jedi available in full feature too?

Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on December 21, 2012, 06:38 AM:

Hi Vidar,
on Super 8 relesed full length features are:
Star Wars A new hope
Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
and Star Wars Episode 3 Revenge of the sith

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on December 21, 2012, 07:14 AM:

Oh, good to know, I was not aware of neither Return or Sith

Guess those are even more rare than Star Wars and Empire?

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on December 21, 2012, 07:28 AM:

Vidar,

Star Wars (eps 4) was printed more because it is more popular (it is also shown on imdb ratings).

Although Star Wars is circulated more but the price is still above the Empire due to that popularity.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on December 21, 2012, 01:36 PM:

You know, the funny thing is, I haven't actually sat down this and watched the whole feature all the way through!

I have watched, numerous times ....

1. Marketing films STAR WARS digest part 2 AGFA film stock and absolutely gorgeous to look at, even after 35 or so years!

2. Ken Films STAR WARS part 2 scope digest. I'm still stunned that the color hasn't faded a bit (every copy of this I have seen for sale on ebay has always been faded to a greater or lesser degree). Though the film stock says Eastman (and not LPP) I wonder if this digest actually somehow made it onto a low fade variation of Eastman low fade ans they were playing with different variations on stock before LPP came out.

At any rate, a great little scope digest!

and, though not directly related ...

Marketing Films Empire Strikes Back Part 1. Lovely unfaded print, but with German sound, but hell, we know all the dialogue anyhow, so it's fun to hear it in German! It states "Opti-color" but that's just a name, as it is on Kodak SP film stock. Now whether they treated they're Kodak SP differently in the lab is another matter altogether, but it's certainly a nice print, and the German boxes for the "Empire" digests were cooler!

Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on December 22, 2012, 12:35 AM:

Nope, not in 2012. If anyone wants to bring their print to my house and help me throw a party in 2013, well then that would be quite something. ;o)

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on December 22, 2012, 03:42 AM:

Star Wars was legally released on Super 8 owing to the fact 20th Century Fox owned the rights for UK release. When it came to Empire and Jedi it transpired that Fox did not have exclusive rights to grant a UK Super 8 release hence whey they appeared from other parts of the world.

I think I put the original reviews for all three films from Film For the Collector/Super 8 Film Review up on the reviews page of bfcc.biz.

Posted by Jean-Christophe Deblock (Member # 792) on December 22, 2012, 05:07 AM:

Begin december, I 've projected "star Wars, a new hope" to my daughter and her cusin in 35mm.

Next december 27th, it will be "the empire strike back", kn 35mm.

Adn end January, it will be the last one: Return of the Jedi, in 35mm.

The '97 version.

Regards,

JC.

Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on December 22, 2012, 05:54 AM:

John- I thought "Jedi" was a legal super 8 release, as well as Star Wars. I know Derann had some sort of deal with Fox to release their films.

Always wondered about Empire though.

Osi-

Owning the prized super 8 Derann scope feature, you've never wathched the whole movie!?!? [Eek!]

James.

Posted by Dave Velazquez (Member # 3009) on December 22, 2012, 10:17 AM:

Hey JC, where do you live? I'm coming over [Cool]

35mm prints of the original* trilogy? Really?

Enjoy!

Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on December 22, 2012, 11:22 AM:

Star Wars is by far my most beloved super 8 feature. I own all three now and have watched them this year (2012)...

Star Wars: 5-6 Times
Empire: at least 3
Jedi: At least 2

Love it!

Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on December 22, 2012, 04:11 PM:

Yeah, you watch one, you got to watch them all!

I have not watched any Star Wars this year...I will have to set something close to projector soon!

Bill [Smile]

Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on December 22, 2012, 04:13 PM:

After reading this topic again, I´m thinking about a Star Wars screening for Christhmas.
Nobody wrote about Trailers??, I run this year something between 5 to 10 times the Special Edition Scope trailers on Super 8.
(also some Trailers on 16mm and 35mm too)

Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on December 22, 2012, 04:25 PM:

Now that I think about it....

I did watch the pod race scene in scope/stereo from episode 1

...and the trailer from episode 1 also.

Bill [Smile]

Posted by Thomas Murin, Jr. (Member # 1745) on December 22, 2012, 04:57 PM:

Return Of The Jedi was indeed a legal UK release. I bought my print brand new directly from Derann just a few years ago.

In fact, I actually bought their last print, confirmed to me by Gary himself! Talk about a collector's item!

I watch the print about 3 or 4 times a year.

I watch the digests of Star Wars and Empire a little less then the Jedi feature. About two or three times a year.

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on December 23, 2012, 04:04 AM:

We really need to remove posts about legality otherwise it is possible someone could get into trouble. Just because Jedi was purchased from Derann does not mean anything.

[ December 23, 2012, 08:25 AM: Message edited by: John Clancy ]

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on December 23, 2012, 09:04 AM:

Remember the post begins by saying how often you have watched it THIS year! [Smile]

Posted by Laksmi Breathwaite (Member # 2320) on December 28, 2012, 01:02 AM:

I agree with everyone that STAR WARS is the best feature to own. But I love my Forbidden Planet not to change the subject. I have seen my beautiful prints of Star Wars and Empire about 3 times this year each. 2 X 400 digest .

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on December 28, 2012, 03:33 AM:

I don't agree with that Laksmi. Whilst I very much like having Star Wars on Super 8 it is not the best way to show off the format as it is a fairly average print. And before anyone starts saying they have a great print, none of them are great. The first run prints are better and we have the first print ever struck for use at BFCCs thanks to Keith Wilton purchasing it after covering it for Super 8 Film Review.

There are much more satisfying Super 8s out there and since Star Wars and its sequels are 'Scope prints I would recommend enthusiasts take a look at something like Terminator 2: Judgment Day. Now that title was taken from a 35mm print from the BFCC collection and whilst it is not perfect it is far superior to any of the Star Wars releases.

For the best 'Scope Super 8 take a look at El Cid and The Fall of the Roman Empire printed at Buck Labs before the negatives were transferred to Rank. Buck Labs prints of these titles are out of this world. Similarly with flat prints of Predator and Commando struck at Buck Labs - unbelievable quality from a frame of film 6mm wide.

Posted by David Ollerearnshaw (Member # 3296) on December 28, 2012, 04:20 AM:

Looking back at my old Movie Maker, Film Making. Buck Labs won an award for best super8 print. Didn't they also print for Disney?

My copy of Star Wars is not too bad, the colours seem a little muted though and its not pin sharp. Remember showing the original 200ft where I used to work before it was at the cinemas. It went down really well.

quote:
John Clancy: "We really need to remove posts about legality otherwise it is possible someone could get into trouble. Just because Jedi was purchased from Derann does not mean anything".

I would imagine quite of few collectors own 'dupe' (white box specials) prints and don't realise they are not legal releases. Didn't Columbia cancel their deal with Derann over some film releases?

Bye the way not watched the feature, but the three trailers to the real Star Wars films.

Posted by Laksmi Breathwaite (Member # 2320) on December 28, 2012, 11:15 AM:

Yeah John that is why I said FORBIDDEN PLANET FEATURE PRINT. Even though it is not scope and an older movie the color makes up for it. And I think it blows everything out of the water. Sorry Star Wars lovers.

Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on December 28, 2012, 04:24 PM:

Hi Laksmi,
I´m a big fan of 50´s Sci-Fi movies and I have lot of them in my collection. I´m very curious, what kind of print is your forbidden planet? because the color looks gorgeous, is it the Derann full feature release?
Oemer

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on December 28, 2012, 04:40 PM:

I'm with you there Laksmi, "FORBIDDEN PLANET" is one of the
best sci-fi films made,and still stands up well today, a visual feast
in fact. The shot of the spaceship at the beginning crossing in
front of an eclipsed sun in some far flung galaxy is stunning.
If I remember correctly Oemer, I think it was a Red Fox release
and a credit to them,just a shame it wasn't in 'scope or even
masked widescreen instead of full frame.

Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on December 28, 2012, 05:36 PM:

The Color on Laksmis print looks great. I sold few years ago a low fade 16mm cinemascope print and I have now a 35mm low fade print, but the color is a little bit different to Laksmis print.
Laksmis print looks more vibrant a little bit like a technicolor print.
Here are some screenshots from the reffering 16mm print,
Link
This screenshots looks also very nice but Laksmis print have more contrast in color saturation (see the faces of the actors).

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on December 28, 2012, 06:19 PM:

Oemer, those screen shots are absolutely lovely,and in 'scope too,
someone must be thrilled to be the owner of such a scarce film.
For what it's worth,I find the colour more than acceptable on
the pictures shown.

Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on December 28, 2012, 09:46 PM:

I just watched the F48 and F64 "Star Wars" digests. They've been edited together in chronological order. I probably watched them five times and both "Empire" digests three times this year. I've also watched my other F48 with the extra scenes from the 200' edited in at least twice.

[ December 28, 2012, 10:52 PM: Message edited by: Chris Fries ]

Posted by Laksmi Breathwaite (Member # 2320) on December 28, 2012, 10:31 PM:

OKay back to STAR WARS anyway your print looks good nice ciemascope Oemer. Red Fox release
yes it was Hugh and has that contrast in color saturation . http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000426

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on December 29, 2012, 02:57 AM:

What is this obsession with STAR WARS??

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on December 29, 2012, 03:06 AM:

Well, for me it's an awesome journey ... 11 years old and saw Star Wars for the first time ... Blew me away, and still does. Not seen the three first (last ones?) that much, but the first two are just awesome and Empire being my favourite

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on December 29, 2012, 03:35 AM:

I liked the film when it first appeared on S/8,long before it came to our local cinema,which made it popular with my mates.I have to
say, the magic of the film has long gone for me, as oppossed to
any of Ray Harryhausens' vehicles,which still retain a special aura.

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on December 29, 2012, 04:03 AM:

To each, his own, I suppose. I never got it. I've seen the first three many times over in my projectionist days, though I can't say I watched each film in full every time. I took my kids to see the re-release in ...97, was it?.
I guess it had a certain newness about it when it first came out, but....now, all these years later it's really old-hat.

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on December 29, 2012, 04:09 AM:

Too bad you don't have a cheap full feature for sale ;-)

I will try next year to see if I can affford and find one

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on December 29, 2012, 04:17 AM:

I got the impression after the first two films, that "Jedi" & the
other three episodes were just toy adverts for kids, and the final
three, very boring toy adverts.

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on December 29, 2012, 04:22 AM:

I am genuinely interested though, in why so many Super 8 collectors seem to hold it in such high esteem. Why, for instance, does it even merit a thread such as this, as if it's a foregone conclusion that collectors will have watched it at least once in the past year?

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on December 29, 2012, 04:34 AM:

I take the point Michael, I myself have the feature, purely i would
say as a souvenir of a landmark film,plus the Ken edits, and like
I said it must be ten years since I last screened it,everybody has
seen the film and nobody anytime soon is going to be asking to
view "Star Wars", because they'll have their own DVD copies.
I think,and I don't mean this in a bad way,that it is an American
craze and the rest of the world has got over it.

Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on December 29, 2012, 04:38 AM:

What is amazing is, given the poor picture quality of Star Wars (compared to other S8 films), how they sell for so much more? Well I suppose the answer is "its Star Wars"!!.

Graham S

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on December 29, 2012, 04:53 AM:

Really? I just got the Reel Image magazine yesterday and it said Star Wars on Super 8 even outperforms the Blu-Ray ... And the Blu-Ray has quite a crisp picture

Anybody have a cheap trailer of high quality that shows off the possibilities of Super 8?

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on December 29, 2012, 05:29 AM:

I think Graham is probably refering to the Ken versions, which
weren't the best in terms of picture rendition, the features being
better, but as John Clancy rightly stated,there are other prints
on S/8 from the Derann stable that are far and away better than
the quality of "Star Wars", for example their print of "Flash Gordon" is stunnig with deep rich colours,"Fearless Vampire
Killers", "Who Dares Wins" all have better print than "Star Wars".

Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on December 29, 2012, 05:37 AM:

No Hugh I was refering to the feature prints. I dont have a copy myself but several comments from others state that the print quality is not the best and suffers from grain, lack of sharpness and printing marks. And yet copies still go for £600+ but like I say thats Star Wars, but if you was demonstrating super 8 to a novice you would probably show Predator and/or a Disney.

Graham S

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on December 29, 2012, 01:09 PM:

It's really hard to describe STAR WARS to those who weren't all that enamored to begin with, (Micheal, for instance).

"Landmark" really is appropriate for this film. Landmark in the sense of special effects. Yeah ... there were other successful special effects films in the past ("War of the Worlds" comes to mind), but I know that I never saw a special effects film that really made you feel that you were seeing a wholy different world or universe, brought to brilliant life.

A good comparison is "logans Run", made just the year before, but with special effects that look old and dated, and just one year later with STAR WARS. I like both films, but it's like night and day.

That, and STAR WARS came out right during a period where not only was the news on the nightly news constantly depressing,
(gas shortages, crime up and lets not forgot terrorism and hostage taking becoming everyday things), but even most films in the theaters had a dark gritty "urban" (for lack of a better term) feel.

The world was a dark place and for the first time, in a major way, Hollywood was concentrating on the dark side of things. That, and emphasizing and making look good, anything that was counter-cultural. (note: Hollywood has always always embraced the counter cultural, but in the past, on the fringes of cinema and not right up from as they did in the late 60's on up)

Lucas learned earlier on than most, what theater goers wanted to see ... feel good movies, which is why "American Graphiti"
was such a hit for him, looking back to really, what was considered (even by the audiences, obviously, by ticket sales) by that time, a last lingering piece of innocence, right before Vietnam and other debacles starting to become the norm.

Taking off from there, Goerge Lucas simply made another "feel-good" movie with no dark undercurrent of politics, counter-culturalism or any of that other rot and instead of placing it in the early 1960's placed it in outer space instead.

The theater going audience ATE it up, standing in line (yeah! I remember doing it to!) for two or three times repeatedly per day, to watch this marvelous fantasy film.

George never looked back ... nearly every film he has helmed has been a feel good film in general, and aren't we thankful that he came along with his fantasy film when he did?

I hope that this might explain a little of the "mystique" of STAR WARS.

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on December 29, 2012, 01:12 PM:

Well, Osi, there are many movies for which all of what you said holds true at different points in the history of the movies.
What I'm wondering is why it holds such attraction for Super 8 collectors all these years later?

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on December 29, 2012, 02:48 PM:

It could be Michael that it's just pure nostalgia for folks like Osi,
that have happy memories connected with the queues and
finally getting to see this hyped up film.After the generation that
viewed it first has died out,I can't see it being held in such high esteem, much like the "Harry Potter" craze, or the Beatles.
In Sir Alec Guinness autobiography, he recounts the tale at one
of his book signings in San Francisco,a twelve year old boy was
presented to him by his proud Mum,on being told that the boy
had seen "Star Wars" over 100 times, Sir Alec asked the boy
to do something for him, to which the child readily agreed,
and that was to promise never to watch it again.His Mother in
shock hastily tore the child away telling him "What a dreadful
thing to say to a child!" As Sir Alec said, "I hope the lad,now in
his thirties (the book was published 1999) is not living in a
fantasy world of secondhand childish banalities"
I have fond memories of the film connected with the "bootlace"
watching it with friends and enjoying a drink with them.No doubt if I suggested we do the same thing now, they would think me certifiable.

Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on December 29, 2012, 04:32 PM:

I saw the originals in the theatre when I was 9, 12 and 15 and my son was 9, 12 and 15 when the second trilogy came out. Together we love all the films and always have a great time watching them all together. It's hard to pin point why we connect to them...we just do. Having part of it on "film" for me is special.

Bill [Smile]

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on December 30, 2012, 05:02 AM:

The main reason so many Super 8 collectors love it so much is because it was the film that got them into film collecting in the first place. Yes, we had projectors and films before the Super 8 extracts from Star Wars appeared but that first black and white 200ft reel was being shown in our house before the feature was released in UK cinemas. The colour 400ft seemed to go on forever to young children who could never have dreamed they'd see the film any other way than at the cinema or on the television five years later and yet here it was being shown in a private home.

Star Wars gave a major boost to the Super 8 film collecting hobby. It was a milestone picture in many respects and Super 8 benefited from it enormously. It's not the best film ever made but it is amongst my favourites largely because of the history I have with it personally - and that personal history is mainly Super 8.

I hope that answers your question Mike.

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on December 30, 2012, 05:26 AM:

Ah, that explains some peoples interest I guess.
I became interested in collecting primarily through Famous Monsters of Filmland magazine and the Universal monsters films. Star Wars, though I was of course aware of the hype surrounding it at the time, had no impact on me.

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on December 30, 2012, 05:30 AM:

Pretty amazing really Lucas let it escape onto 8 as well and I’m with John in that it does hold many memories for so many on 8mm. Pulled my now ancient film & box out of the archive only yesterday and the teenage memories come flooding back projecting it on the old Eumig. Happy days!

Mr Sinden may be a little wrong about the iffy print quality of the scope feature as I find it quite amazing through the f1 lens 8Z combo and in stereo.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on December 30, 2012, 08:19 AM:

But where it the version where Luke misses his first grappling hook throw? Inquiring minds want to know. Me. [Smile]

Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on December 30, 2012, 12:14 PM:

Hi Lee,

I dont have the super 8 feature myself as I explained so I cannot really comment myself. I was merely repeating some previous comments made from members who have seen 1st run prints and more. If you do a search you can read some of them. Enjoy the new year.

Graham S

Posted by Dino Everette (Member # 1378) on December 30, 2012, 05:55 PM:

Michael
I think the major reason is an age thing...If you look at the average age of the film collectors who are holding Star Wars in such high esteem, i am betting they will be in the 40 - 55 range and were young enough when they first saw it that it made a huge impression on them, and let's not forget it was a hugely successful film which means more people are going to rate it as important than a not so successful film....Then finally the reason I would want a Super 8 print of it is because of all of Lucas's messing around with it...Because of that the 1977 version of the film, which I believe all of the Super 8 releases are, represents a moment in time that someone is attempting to erase from history, which places it as a more unique Super 8 print than almost all others...I actually have a British IB Tech 35mm print, but have yet to ever pick up a Super 8, but would if the price was right.... (Or I should say if the price was right and I had nothing else to spend the money on)

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on December 30, 2012, 06:09 PM:

My interest in this hobby was like Michaels, inspired by the ads
in FM & MW then the ads in 8mm Magazine and Movie Maker
that set me off on a quest for "One Million Years B.C."

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on December 31, 2012, 07:59 AM:

Lee, at best Star Wars is little more than an average print. Even through my own HTI projector it ain't great. First run prints are better but as I say, little better than an average print. Much better prints around and that is great news because if you're pleased with Star Wars the better prints will look astonishing by comparison.

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on December 31, 2012, 09:17 AM:

Think I will end 2012 with a screening of my old 400ftr on the even older non HTI Eumig. 75 Watts of burning lamp power! [Eek!]

Have a good new years eve everyone... [Cool]

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on January 01, 2013, 08:53 PM:

And here is my print screened in 2012 (without anamorphic lens):

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