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Maurice Leakey
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I have "Ballot Box Bunny" in a Derann box but the intro has the Techno logo, also the titling is all in English with no Foreign titles as is normal with these Techno releases.

Was this a second-hand film which Derann put in one of their boxes, or as they had the rights to Warner titles, did they issue this from Techno negatives?"

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Dominique De Bast
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It is a Derann's release. http://derannlists.co.uk/derann/8e.php

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Maurizio Di Cintio
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Maurice, in the second case you mentioned, your copy should be in poly stock: Techno Film used to print on acetate. Also whilst most "genuine" Technofilm releases have now faded, yours should have held up very well if is a Derann release.

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Maurice Leakey
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Thank you, Dominique, it therefore seems that Derann used Techno master material, but why did they retain the Techno logo.
Anybody from the Derann side know the answer?
Yes, Maurizio, it's on LPP, the colour is very good.

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Barry Attwood
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Maurice,

The simple answer, money! Derek picked up the masters, sound as well as picture, it would have been easy to take out the Techno logo, but it would have meant re-cutting the soundtrack to fit the new running time, and the second real point is this, Derek could get away with saying he was just selling newly found Techno prints if anyone from W,B.'s asked, so no need for any royalties to be paid in any way.

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Maurice Leakey
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Thank you, Barry, for the answer.
Unfortunately most the Techno WB have now suffered differing shades of fade but Derek's are still great colour.

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Rob Young.
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Maurice, I'm sure Derek wrote an article many years back about visiting the Techno warehouse to rescue as many negatives as he could.
I'll dig it out and send it to you.

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Steve Klare
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How many Derann prints are there that end with "A Walton Super-8 Release"?

Then again I can think of at least one Derann printed DCR film that has the very nice "Derann" logo spliced in at the head.

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Osi Osgood
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My "Dumb Patrol" is one of those re-issued Techno/Derann releases and as commented on earlier, it's LPP and beautiful color!

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Adrian Winchester
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It's a surprise to me that Derann added a logo to any negatives they obtained from another distributor - I'd be interested to know the title of any such release. So far, their only re-release that I'm aware of featured any cutting from them of any type is 'To the Devil a Daughter' which they offered as a 600' as opposed to Iver's 2 x 400', which had no more than 300' on each spool.

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Steve Klare
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The one I am sure of is "Terrier to Wooton" (about 250 Ft.) from the "Island and It's Railways" series.

This and "Piccadilly Line to Shanklin" (also from this series) were both DCRs. My Piccadilly was bought used and it showed up in DCR packaging.

"Terrier" was actually the very last brand new Derann print I ever bought and it showed up with the Derann logo right at the beginning.

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Maurice Leakey
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Since my original posting I have had a chance to speak to an ex Derann employee. He said that many of Derek's early releases were "pirate" prints and whilst he did not know the particular title of which I spoke he said that the Techno logo was probably put at the start just to foil any snoopers from Warners.

This would explain why my print does not have the two lots of foreign titles which most Techno WB releases have.

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Clive Carmock
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I guess there was an element of official releases and then some unofficial ones. I remember sending Derek a whole load of daysets on 35mm and similar shorts which he put together and issued as a dayset reel.

Also he said had he known I had a Hammer feature in IB tech 35mm he said a few years earlier he'd have asked to borrow it to put out on S8, but the market wasn't there any more.

[ June 11, 2014, 07:08 PM: Message edited by: Clive Carmock ]

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Brad Kimball
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I miss Derann. Boy did they put out some exceptional stuff. Do they still sell any film products or is it all digital?

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Steve Klare
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They are completely out of business.

I don't think that film sales kept them in business or put them out of business either: they just couldn't make enough money from either films sales or audio/video retail to turn a profit anymore.

I thought it might be a beginning of the end for my film collecting days, but one way or another it's kept going just fine.

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David Ollerearnshaw
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The Techno article was in the first three issues of Film For The Collector I think.

There's no such thing as a pirate print. They are "ARCHIVE" copies in case they loose their master copy [Smile]

Clive. Upset me now and tell me what the Hammer films was. Guessing at 'The Brides Of Dracula'?

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Brian Fretwell
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I was told by one of the staff that they closed partly because they had several floors to the building but were by then only using two. However they had to pay full business rates for the floors they were not using and the turnover could not support it.

I later read that Dudley was in the top 3 towns for most empty shops on the High Street. Their shop is still unoccupied.

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Maurice Leakey
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quote:
There's no such thing as a pirate print
The Oxford Dictionary defines PIRATE as:

1.1 A person who appropriates or reproduces the work of another for profit without permission, usually in contravention of patent or copyright.

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David Ollerearnshaw
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No they are archive prints distributed to people who will take care of them, unlike the original owners who don't care about them.

We collectors are doing a service for the future generations, when all the digital stuff won't play any more.

Pirates are "Yo Ho Ho and a bottle of rum"

Shiver me reels.

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Maurice Leakey
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I strongly disagree with your thoughts, Derann were making money from using prints to which they appear not to have the legal right to, and as such they were pirate prints.

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David Ollerearnshaw
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So that means you should destroy any you have bought and know were NOT legitimately licensed products.

As far as know all prints I bought, not only from Derann, but all the others companies were legitimately licensed products.

I also recall one of the reasons they closed was the business rates, also the high cost of all the utilities bills.

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Clive Carmock
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David the Hammer film on 35mm I referred to in my post was Blood from the Mummy's Tomb.

Had it been earlier Derek said he'd have borrowed the 35mm print to produce a S8 Master from.

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Osi Osgood
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At least when it came to the Techno cartoon prints ...

Derann had full permission to go down there and gather those negatives for the original Techno prints.

Now, whether Techno had the right to then give over permission to Derann from Warner's to release them from another source, (Derann) is another whole argument.

But the idea that Derann was a bunch of pirates, I certainly don't agree with. I respectfully disagree.

In fact Derann should be applauded for having truly rescued from assorted sources, (Kempski, Red Fox, Techno ect) the negatives, (which I doubt that they got for free, they no doubt paid for them), for assorted releases, as many of us would be quite limited on the amount of great prints available for a mountain of titles!

[Big Grin]

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Dominique De Bast
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I also remember that the reason gave for Derann to close down was the increase of local taxes.

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David Ollerearnshaw
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I remember talking to Derek about Hammer titles and one I mentioned 'The Brides Of Dracula' was one he would have liked to release, has it was a favourite of his.

Back when Derann were doing the Hammer film complete I think if they could have got good pre-print it would have sold well.

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