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Osi Osgood
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posted April 12, 2016 11:39 AM
Folks, I just ran across a LPP print of this title, which was nice, except that about 45 seconds or so into print, (when the bluebird actually lands and feeds the worm to his mate), the print goes very bluish and then, about thirty seconds before the film ends, it flashes back and forth between bluish and proper color ...
Please tell me that this was just a one-off botched print, or are all the LPP (I'm assuming Derann, as this print was originally released by WDHM's not on LPP but fadey Eastman), prints the same way?
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Osi Osgood
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posted April 15, 2016 11:19 AM
They do exist. Gin Luca Loncrini, (used to post here some years ago), came across a beautiful LPP print, but I don't know if it was the original WDHM version (with that awesome box for it).
Thank you very much, Adrian, as you answered a question that I had about that print that I just had. It was LPP, but the leader was not like the standard Derann film leader on a print, but looked like the original Disney leader, so I was thinking that this was a re-print of the WDHM title, but I had no evidence. I also noticed that this print, advertised as a Derann printing, certainly didn't have the sharpness of you're standard Disney/Derann "Silly Symphony" release. Many Kudos, Adrian ...
Was this re-released, later, during the Disney/Derann deal?
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Adrian Winchester
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posted April 15, 2016 12:39 PM
Osi - I've checked the leader of my Derann print of 'The Old Mill', which I bought new from them, and I can confirm that this has nothing that reveals it was printed by Derann.
I managed to find these words in the Derann June 1984 newsletter: "Prints of Disney's THE OLD MILL are now on the way, again this was quality which had held up the prints, but the check print we have now seen is beautiful." Other subsequent newsletters show 'The Old Mill' listed with 'Best of Friends' and 'Test of Courage', and offered for £14.95 instead of for discounted prices, so I think these were the other titles that Disney allowed Derann to print.
The first catalogue Derann produced after the main Disney deal (November 1991) includes 'The Old Mill' but not the other two.
Derann newsletters refer to Disney winding up their 8mm division in 1982. If they printed LPP copies of 'The Sorceror's Apprentice' and anything else, it therefore seems quite likely that there was only one LPP batch of the film(s) in question. I'm sure there are some pirated reprints of certain titles - e.g. I have a print of 'A Walt Disney Christmas' that's LPP and preferable to a faded print, but it has an odd look to it that isn't quite right. But if a print of 'The Sorceror's Apprentice' looks excellent, that could point to it being genuine, as it's a title that you can imagine them printing as part of any final order.
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Osi Osgood
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posted April 16, 2016 11:34 AM
I was looking at a 2001 Derann webpage ...
http://web.archive.org/web/20010410053330/http://www.derann.co.uk/main.htm
... and in the Disney section as well as the cartoon section, it doesn't list "The Old Mill", so I'm wondering if this was an earlier available print, and from those "pre-Disney/Derann deal" negatives. If that is the case, I'll just have to keep searching and hope for the best.
Please note folks, for those who do not know, Derann is no longer in business, so please don't bother yourselves with "contacting" Derann concerning prints. The above link is for entertainment only, (hey, there are bound to be newbies who don't know that Derann is gone ..... sniff)
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Osi Osgood
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posted April 18, 2016 11:28 AM
Thanks for all the help, lads! I'll begin my search in general for this great film, but cautious as to the origin and when it was printed, as I don't want to run into one of those early ones again.
Man, I so totally love this forum, (and well, all the film forums, too!)
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was coming across a stunning 35mm print. I was over the moon until the sound went bad half way through. I ran it a number of times and it was always at the same spot where it went bad. I guess that's why the print looked so good, It was something I had never come across before 
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