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Osi Osgood
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From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted February 24, 2018 01:14 PM
Ok, I'm sure that many have pondered this as well as I ...
The thought is ...
I have low fade prints that are 80 years or younger, the earliest being Cinecolor prints and Ansco-chrome prints (later to be renamed Agfa!) and of course, Kodachrome ...
Then there are, of course, the modern ,low fades, Agfa and of course, our beloved L.P.P. film stock ...
Now, how long are our PROJECTORS going to last?
I already read, time and time again, about the brilliant but "high maintenance' ELMO's and while my Eumig's are holding up well, (as are the CHNON 9500's) ...
I'm betting that these projectors will wear out long before the color fades from our prints.
I'm betting that someone out there, is going to have to make some new super 8 projectors ... at least a one really good one along the lines of a top of the line Eumig or ELMO ...
... as i would be quite sad to have a wonderful library with dead carcasses of projectors lying about. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Paul Adsett
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posted February 24, 2018 03:21 PM
Hi Osi,
Much as I agree with your post, I think the chances of seeing a brand new super 8mm sound projector, of the kind that we would want to use, are nil. Look at what Kodak have found out trying to create a new super 8 film camera. All the technology and engineering know how has been lost, and they are having to start from scratch. Their final design is a camera, which certainly looks inferior to most top end S8 cameras of 40 years ago, at a cost of over $2K! I do not rule out someone coming out with a real cheap and cheesy projector at some point (maybe Kodak if their camera happens to take off)but I doubt it.
No, realistically we are stuck with what we have and what we can get off ebay or private dealers. Our main hope are the Edwin Van Eck's and Leon Norris's of this world, who can help out with some of the spare parts to keep these machines going,
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The best of all worlds- 8mm, super 8mm, 9.5mm, and HD Digital Projection,
Elmo GS1200 f1.0 2-blade
Eumig S938 Stereo f1.0 Ektar
Panasonic PT-AE4000U digital pj
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Tom Photiou
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From: Plymouth U.K
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted February 24, 2018 03:39 PM
When you think about it we are doing quite well to still be going this strong. Steve klare once said something that made me think,
Modern technology keeps moving on, DVD players, now blu ray, TVs, washing mashing etc all seem to last 10 years or less and we replace them yet we are using projectors in excess of 40 years old or more,(much more in some cases) and we keep expecting them to keep going and performing.
Dave Guest did also comment that all this money people seem to want to pay out on one title, (well over a thousand in some cases), what will happen to these when there's no one to repair the projectors,or any spares left to repair them with, We have now lost Bill Parsons in the Uk, there aint many left.
It's another good reason to go into 16mm, there seems to be many more titles around, and a lot more machines and spares.
For The GS1200 owners one of the main repair experts is now retired . If i had one theirs no one else i would trust with it.
Osi, i think the films will definatly outlast the projectors, at least now im in middle aged, (well, the later side of it), i hope we should be ok. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
[ February 26, 2018, 04:23 PM: Message edited by: Tom Photiou ]
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Matthieu van der Sluis
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From: Barendrecht, The Netherlands
Registered: Aug 2017
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posted February 26, 2018 03:19 AM
All true.
I'm a bit differend than most of you here, I think.
I'm very nostalgic.
I do like to own a Derann high quallity Disney LPP film, just to see how beautyfull a S8 projector can show this.
Still, I only feel the need of just having the older movies I owned or have seen in the past on S8.
Or some older films on 3x 400' reels, because their nicely cut, and more easily watchable for my kids this way, because they cannot bare the complete length of those, since the films of today go much faster.
I really love Super8, the sound and smell of the projector and film go through.
But the next generation only like to see it, and the next don't even know what it is., because even the cinema's are digital now.
I sell 4K video projectors that shows films with HDR (High Dynamic Range) and DCI P3 color dept, we see in the cinema.
So a film like Terminator 2, although I like to own it and see it on S8, I probably rather see that in 4K UltrHD Blu-Ray, on one of these €5000 ISF-Calibrated projectors like the Sony VPL-VW260ES or JVC DLA-X7900 projectors I have here, than on my Elmo GS1200.
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Paul Adsett
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posted February 26, 2018 03:25 PM
Absolutely Terry! I think Steve's estimate of 20 years is way too low. I have a 1922 Pathe Baby that still runs like new. But admittedly top end Super 8 sound projectors are much more complex, and the sound head wear is the biggest problem, But, even there, the heads on my GS1200 show no signs of wear after 40 years!
Ultimately, where there's a will there's a way to keep these machines running for the forseeable future.
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The best of all worlds- 8mm, super 8mm, 9.5mm, and HD Digital Projection,
Elmo GS1200 f1.0 2-blade
Eumig S938 Stereo f1.0 Ektar
Panasonic PT-AE4000U digital pj
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Osi Osgood
Film God
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From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted February 27, 2018 11:31 AM
Ya know Terry, you actually had a very good point!
I've noticed that our library now has these "printers" that actually "print' plastic (or otherwise) copies of whatever specs the computer is fed. These things fascinate me ...
So, how much more difficuklt would it be to "print" the assorted "cogs" and such for the interior of our beloved projectors?
I hope that the return to new Kodak super 8 film stocks won't just be a passing phase and that, perhaps, some company will actually get the gumption up to actually manufacture a brand new super 8 sound projector.
Hey! I wouls have thought that home movie film stock was a thing of the past and as Steve stated, he's already shot two rolls of it in this year, so new projectors aren't THAT much of a stretch! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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