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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on June 11, 2018, 12:26 PM:

Just asking a question ...

I have an opportunity to buy the "Nutcracker Suite" from a seller, it's a 400ft reel, with french (I believe) narraration at the beginning. That doesn't bother me, i'm just wanting to make sure, is this the full nutcracker segment from fantasia?

The seller states that it still has great color and I'm assuming Derann?

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on June 11, 2018, 12:54 PM:

It is a pretty full 400 footer. It seems to flow very naturally, so I'm guessing it's the whole thing.

It's a great reel: one of my favorites!

The Nutcracker Suite

It achieved a distinction very few of mine have ever earned: I projected it, rewound it, and projected it again!

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on June 11, 2018, 01:02 PM:

Thanks Steve, that was the info I was wanting.

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on June 11, 2018, 01:11 PM:

If I didn't have one, I would buy it!

-all things considered, they aren't as common as I'd expect.

BTW: I have the Piccollo Dance of the Hours, it's not as nice a print as any of the Derann Fantasias I have.

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on June 11, 2018, 01:51 PM:

My 400ft came in a white box so I can't verify its origin, but it has lovely colour on A G 1S (Agfa Geveart).
In view of the stock used it surely was from Derann.

Posted by Chip Gelmini (Member # 44) on June 11, 2018, 01:51 PM:

The entire feature was never made available specifically however if you bought all the segments and splice them together in the proper order you would have the feature length program minus the credits at the end

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on June 11, 2018, 02:11 PM:

Maurice,

If the narration was French, you can basically be sure it was Derann.

I've always wanted to make it kind of a Projectionist's Project to line up all my Fantasia extracts in order and get as close to the feature as possible, -basically all I'm missing is Rites of Spring.

-of course one obstacle is my wife can't stand the thing!

(This may be my Barry Manilow Equivalent! Part of being a couple is accepting differences!)

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on June 11, 2018, 03:19 PM:

My copy came from Derann (white box special as printed slightly off centre - I can't say I have noticed) is on AG4S (different slit from same roll as 1S I assume, as some genuine standard 8 B&W stock prints I have are marked 1S) so I would say it was their release.

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on June 12, 2018, 02:40 AM:

I haven't projected it in years, but if there was any speech it was in English.

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on June 12, 2018, 02:46 PM:

I bought mine from Derann excellent print by the way, however the intro was in a foreign accent...not Scottish [Big Grin]

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on June 26, 2018, 11:43 AM:

I keep hearing that the nararation on this print is in french? Was this an actual 'Piccilo" print, or did Derann's print actually originate from Disney archives or was from a diffrerent source? (like Derann's STAR WARS was a from a french negative)?

Posted by Oliver F. R. Feld (Member # 1911) on June 26, 2018, 01:24 PM:

You should also look out for the never used segment CLAIRE DE LUNE...
It’s a beautiful addition to the other segments.

Posted by Panayotis A. Carayannis (Member # 1220) on June 27, 2018, 03:05 AM:

The FANTASIA segments,"white box" or "imports",which we all know what that meant(!),were taken from various sources. Thus,most were without the Deems Taylor introductions and one was in French.Putting them all together,we have practically the whole feature,which I clocked to ,approximately, 110 minutes out of the original 120.Beside the Taylor introductions,the first part of The Rite of Spring is missing and maybe bits from other segments. Clair de Lune was not part of the feature,although it was originally intended to be,so,I am not counting it. The Piccolo Dance of the Hours is shortened.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on June 27, 2018, 10:51 AM:

Oliver ...

I have that nice short little film! (Clair). It just shows how incredibly tough Disney was on himself to completely finish a pice like "Clair" and yet, not have it in the finished feature.

I always thought that Derann actually released the full feature of "Fantasia"?

Posted by David Fouracre (Member # 3883) on June 27, 2018, 11:02 AM:

OSI,

Just a note re: NUTCRACKER
Derann, released a 400ft copy of Nutcracker, which was a rather poor print of a russian cartoon, many years ago. This was not from Fantasia. I think I still have my copy. The sound was not clever but the story well animated.
As my memory serves,I think it was released at the same time as "Hugo The Hippo"

David

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on June 27, 2018, 11:15 AM:

Ooh! Now that makes me a little nervous! I hope that the person who told me about this didn't just look at a label on the film box, (as this person is selling her dads collection), and I'm just assuming it's the Fantasia "extract". I'd be MOST annoyed and in this case, with really nobody to blame but myself (a terrible place to be, to be sure). [Eek!]

Posted by Panayotis A. Carayannis (Member # 1220) on June 28, 2018, 01:56 AM:

The Russian Nutracker is a three reeler (27 minutes)

Posted by David Ollerearnshaw (Member # 3296) on June 28, 2018, 05:45 AM:

The Russian one is 'cute' once hired it. I think they also did a 200ft extract.

Never really bothered about Fantasia too much, I have the odd reels though.

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