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Osi Osgood
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- posted June 11, 2018 12:26 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Just asking a question ...

I have an opportunity to buy the "Nutcracker Suite" from a seller, it's a 400ft reel, with french (I believe) narraration at the beginning. That doesn't bother me, i'm just wanting to make sure, is this the full nutcracker segment from fantasia?

The seller states that it still has great color and I'm assuming Derann?

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Steve Klare
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- posted June 11, 2018 12:54 PM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It is a pretty full 400 footer. It seems to flow very naturally, so I'm guessing it's the whole thing.

It's a great reel: one of my favorites!

The Nutcracker Suite

It achieved a distinction very few of mine have ever earned: I projected it, rewound it, and projected it again!

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Osi Osgood
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- posted June 11, 2018 01:02 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks Steve, that was the info I was wanting.

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Steve Klare
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If I didn't have one, I would buy it!

-all things considered, they aren't as common as I'd expect.

BTW: I have the Piccollo Dance of the Hours, it's not as nice a print as any of the Derann Fantasias I have.

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Maurice Leakey
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My 400ft came in a white box so I can't verify its origin, but it has lovely colour on A G 1S (Agfa Geveart).
In view of the stock used it surely was from Derann.

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Chip Gelmini
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The entire feature was never made available specifically however if you bought all the segments and splice them together in the proper order you would have the feature length program minus the credits at the end

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Steve Klare
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Maurice,

If the narration was French, you can basically be sure it was Derann.

I've always wanted to make it kind of a Projectionist's Project to line up all my Fantasia extracts in order and get as close to the feature as possible, -basically all I'm missing is Rites of Spring.

-of course one obstacle is my wife can't stand the thing!

(This may be my Barry Manilow Equivalent! Part of being a couple is accepting differences!)

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Brian Fretwell
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- posted June 11, 2018 03:19 PM      Profile for Brian Fretwell   Email Brian Fretwell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My copy came from Derann (white box special as printed slightly off centre - I can't say I have noticed) is on AG4S (different slit from same roll as 1S I assume, as some genuine standard 8 B&W stock prints I have are marked 1S) so I would say it was their release.

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Maurice Leakey
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I haven't projected it in years, but if there was any speech it was in English.

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Graham Ritchie
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I bought mine from Derann excellent print by the way, however the intro was in a foreign accent...not Scottish [Big Grin]

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Osi Osgood
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- posted June 26, 2018 11:43 AM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I keep hearing that the nararation on this print is in french? Was this an actual 'Piccilo" print, or did Derann's print actually originate from Disney archives or was from a diffrerent source? (like Derann's STAR WARS was a from a french negative)?

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Oliver F. R. Feld
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- posted June 26, 2018 01:24 PM      Profile for Oliver F. R. Feld     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You should also look out for the never used segment CLAIRE DE LUNE...
It’s a beautiful addition to the other segments.

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Panayotis A. Carayannis
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The FANTASIA segments,"white box" or "imports",which we all know what that meant(!),were taken from various sources. Thus,most were without the Deems Taylor introductions and one was in French.Putting them all together,we have practically the whole feature,which I clocked to ,approximately, 110 minutes out of the original 120.Beside the Taylor introductions,the first part of The Rite of Spring is missing and maybe bits from other segments. Clair de Lune was not part of the feature,although it was originally intended to be,so,I am not counting it. The Piccolo Dance of the Hours is shortened.

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Osi Osgood
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Oliver ...

I have that nice short little film! (Clair). It just shows how incredibly tough Disney was on himself to completely finish a pice like "Clair" and yet, not have it in the finished feature.

I always thought that Derann actually released the full feature of "Fantasia"?

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David Fouracre
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- posted June 27, 2018 11:02 AM      Profile for David Fouracre   Email David Fouracre   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
OSI,

Just a note re: NUTCRACKER
Derann, released a 400ft copy of Nutcracker, which was a rather poor print of a russian cartoon, many years ago. This was not from Fantasia. I think I still have my copy. The sound was not clever but the story well animated.
As my memory serves,I think it was released at the same time as "Hugo The Hippo"

David

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Osi Osgood
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- posted June 27, 2018 11:15 AM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ooh! Now that makes me a little nervous! I hope that the person who told me about this didn't just look at a label on the film box, (as this person is selling her dads collection), and I'm just assuming it's the Fantasia "extract". I'd be MOST annoyed and in this case, with really nobody to blame but myself (a terrible place to be, to be sure). [Eek!]

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Panayotis A. Carayannis
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The Russian Nutracker is a three reeler (27 minutes)

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David Ollerearnshaw
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The Russian one is 'cute' once hired it. I think they also did a 200ft extract.

Never really bothered about Fantasia too much, I have the odd reels though.

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