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Topic: Wizard of Oz/Adventures of Robin Hood

Jack Cleveland
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posted April 16, 2015 12:10 PM

Looking for both features in Super 8. I've given up being able to afford them in 16mm!! Keep me in mind if you have either one...

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Phillip R Campey
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posted April 16, 2015 01:02 PM

Hi Jack, there is a print of the wizard of oz super 8mm on UK eBay, the seller is asking for £350.

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Mark Todd
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posted April 16, 2015 06:12 PM

Thats a bit steep though, they can be had for £120 up usually.

Best Mark.

PS I found the UK Blu Ray dissapointing just out of interest.

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Jack Cleveland
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posted April 17, 2015 05:01 AM

Thanks for the alert- That comes to 541.00 in US currency. If it can be had for less, I will keep looking. Does anyone recognize the distributor of this particular print?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Super-8mm-FEATURE-The-Wizard-Of-Oz-4-x-600ft-Sound-AU506-/281657830019?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item41941d6a83

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Gary Crawford
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posted April 17, 2015 07:23 AM

Jack, I've see nice reductions of Oz in 16mm for 275 to $350...and with decent color. They do show up sometimes. In this case of Oz....the low fade super 8 prints are likely to be more expensive than the 16's.

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Mark Todd
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posted April 17, 2015 07:32 AM

Hi Jack there are lots of low fade prints of this about, take your time and you will get one under £150.

Best Mark.

http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=005312# 000000

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Alan Rik
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posted April 17, 2015 09:26 AM

Yes but they usually last 5 minutes on this forum! So you must be quick! [Smile]

Normally they sell for around $350-600 I have noticed. Ian's price was very good for that print.
Thanks Ian! [Smile]

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Jack Cleveland
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posted April 17, 2015 06:56 PM

So here is my hope: someone will see this want ad, and contact me. No need to post it on the board if you know I'm interested. My email addy is

ozmite@aol.com

Yes- I've had a lifelong love affair with this film. Even my email address reflects that!

Jack

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Mark Todd
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posted April 17, 2015 07:47 PM

I was reading that the last munchkin is still alive, the middle lad ( of the 3 ) in the lollipop song.

He was born in 1920 and is 95. Jerry Maren.

He is also the last surviving member of the cast.

The hanging Munchkin is also a bit mysterious as well

Best Mark.

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Jason Gronn
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posted April 17, 2015 10:02 PM

I paid around $700AU for my super8 copy and it was worth every dollar.
It's a fantastic MGM release print from the mid 80"s after they did the restoration. Reel 1 is B&W film stock and reels 2-4 are Kodak LPP.

I can also say knowing this seller with the ebay print that it will be a well looked after copy. [Big Grin]

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Jack Cleveland
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posted April 18, 2015 08:35 AM

That print sounds wonderful. Did it come straight from the MGM labs? Were these only sold overseas? Am I missing out on a great deal if I don't jump on this? You piqued my interest again Jason. Isn't there a Derann release of Oz? Guidance... I need guidance!

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Mark Todd
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posted April 18, 2015 09:16 AM

If a UK sale Jack its probably 99% likely to be a Derann copy, Usually lpp poly but I think there may be a few low fade agfa poly copies around as well.

Best Mark.

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Osi Osgood
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posted April 18, 2015 01:21 PM

What confuses me is the box, which isn't Derann, (or is it? It doesn't look like it).

Who did that print that's in the auction? I must say, it is a lovely print.

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Jason Gronn
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posted April 18, 2015 04:37 PM

The print on eBay is a Derann release.

My print came from MGM, the story goes it was given out to some of the staff that worked on it after the restoration which could explain a persons name labeled on the side of the box.
Saying that l don't know if there is any truth to it and I'm still researching that one [Smile]

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Jack Cleveland
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posted April 18, 2015 08:01 PM

Wow- can't believe MGM was giving away Super 8 prints to people. I have some beautiful 16mm prints from the MGM labs with the leaders still on them. The Champ, Easter Parade (LPP), Dinner At Eight... I'm gonna trust you guys on finding a good copy of Oz for less than this auction. I can't afford it anyways! I need to get a projector instead!! lol!

Attention Gary Crawford!

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Mark Todd
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posted April 19, 2015 07:30 AM

Hopefully Jack prices will get back down to earth a bit.

I don`t like selling films for more than I paid, there seems to have been a sort of price craziness since Derann closed.

When 16mm Blackhawks stopped being printed in the US 4 or 5 years ago L+H,s went silly for a whie but have now settled back down to sensible levels.Possibly lower than before.

Just about everything film now is 2nd hand and the sooner it deflates the better for the hobby itself. And hopefully some newbies possibly staying in even.

Best Mark.

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Adrian Winchester
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posted April 19, 2015 08:36 AM

Jason - your print sounds fascinating, especially as the first reel is b/w stock. I'm virtually certain that no Derann releases (even of b/w films) were on b/w stock by the time that OZ was released and I think (perhaps someone can confirm this) that the b/w sequence ends well before the end of reel one on the Derann release. So I think it can be ruled out that MGM simply obtained some prints from Derann, even if the story you heard is correct. Have you checked the leaders for any clues?

Mark - I can't share your reservations about receiving more than I paid for a film. I've so often received far less than what I paid that it makes a very rare and pleasant change if the reverse happens!

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Jason Gronn
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posted April 19, 2015 08:45 AM

Adrian,

I will look at the print when l get a chance but l know the first reel is all B&W and colour does not start until reel two.

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Andrea Fastami
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posted April 19, 2015 04:42 PM

Hello Jack hope you ll find a copy of ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD here you can see a clip from my print (not for sale)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9rmahISR1w

it is a Red Fox print with superb colors and amazing sharp..in the years i owned also a few of this one from Derann but i must say that Red Fox are better especially in terms of neg35mm-marks and in terms of sharpness. [Smile]

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Jack Cleveland
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posted April 19, 2015 07:36 PM

Those colors are amazing indeed. So where do I find one of those Red Fox prints? Does anyone want to sell me a Derann Oz or a Red Fox Robin Hood?

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Mike Peckham
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posted April 30, 2015 01:17 PM

This is very interesting, the first reel of my print of Oz is on B&W stock I always assumed it was a Derann print though. It came in a white box with the MGM 400ft release art work on it that I assumed the previous owner had put together. I haven't projected it for at least 15 years, but remember it having gorgeous colours. I hope it still has...

I'd be interested to know if all the Derann prints were on all colour stock.

Mike [Cool]

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Jason Gronn
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posted April 30, 2015 02:10 PM

Mike,

It sound like we have the same prints from MGM as mine has the same white card box and picture from the 400ft release. [Smile]

The colour should be fine as it's LPP stock

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Mike Peckham
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posted April 30, 2015 02:16 PM

Jason, thanks for that, very interesting. I shall have to dig out the original box and check for a name!

Mike [Cool]

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Ian Williams Jack
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posted May 04, 2015 11:45 AM

I've just posted my collection of films for sale and among it is Adventures of Robin Hood - Errol Flynn. Is this the version you're looking for. I am new to this Forum so finding my way around.

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Jack Cleveland
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posted May 06, 2015 08:19 PM

I sent you an email- I have been away for a few days from the Forum- Sure hope I didn't miss out again! The key is if this is the full length print- Red Fox is even better!

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