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Topic: For sale: Elmo GS 1200 xenon. Totally refurbished SOLD
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Andrew Woodcock
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Posts: 7477
From: Manchester Uk
Registered: Aug 2012
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posted May 01, 2016 09:27 PM
They are both highly dubious as a film path. Personally, I dont, and will never, trust any Elmo ever again because of my own experiences with their lethal film paths, but many will swear they're fine!!
Once they have been given the Ugo treatment, I'm certain this is true, but from original design, I'd be very wary indeed based on my own experiences, and many others it has to be said, with these.
[ May 02, 2016, 10:23 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]
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Tom Photiou
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From: Plymouth U.K
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted May 02, 2016 03:01 PM
As far as Elmo's scratching here is the facts, on the 1200 and 1200HD's the main culprit as mentioned is the second sprocket lower green guide. These can wear flat, hence why you dont see the scratch until it's too late, i always removed mine every 12 months or so and gave this area a thorough cleaning, obviously this is on top of the usual before and after each film show.
We were also fortunate enough to have learned of this problem many moons ago so we bought up a dozen of the rear guides, any new machines we bought, (3 in total), had that rear guide changed for a new one.
BTW, we have three of the 1200HD's & we do swear by them, i made a recent change but that didnt work out for me so we are sticking with these great machines. One of them now in its 34th year with me.
On the GS1200, (i myself have not been fortunate enough to get on e of these), i understand the culprit is the front guide which can now be replaced by a modified one from Van Ek services. If i had one of these machines that would be something i sorted before putting a film through. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Andrew Woodcock
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From: Manchester Uk
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posted May 02, 2016 04:36 PM
I clearly respect all of your expertise, experience and outstanding knowledge of these machines Tom.
All I can say in response to these excellent suggestions, is some of the marks I have experienced from these in use must have been happening before the lower sprocket as I was, on occasions viewing the marks as they were happening before the gate!
Sometimes not even a scratch, more like a smiley mouth shape would appear right in the middle of the frame.
Stop the machine, do nothing, then restart the projector, the marks or lines would cease!
Maybe I was just allergic to the Japanese machines lol, who knows??
I had to change brand in the end if I wanted to continue collecting film. Since doing so, after some initial teething issues I have had, I can now finally relax when viewing the collection in the manner I enjoy.
I tried everything in my armoury to control the issues over the years, and though I could at times get to within 95% of complete satisfaction, it's only nowadays I can hand on heart claim 99.9% confidence in the machines I use.
We cannot of course, ever say 100% certainty for any mechanical construction that has a very delicate and unbelievably easily damaged medium running through it at speed, but 99.9 is as good as it gets I'd say from any machine out there.
I've seen no damage at all in these past 18months or so and that is the best and longest sustained period of time I've ever had throughout the years, since first only owning one Agfa sound projector.
I know there are people like Tom here who have had fabulous service from these machines, but to do so, ideally you would need a brand new inventory of spare parts as large as Tom has recently displayed over elsewhere. If you have these spares, or can gain access to them,maybe you'll fair well with one. If not, I would proceed with caution myself.
As for the GS, there are many more places other than the initial guide shoe that cause problems with scratching as they age. There is already tons of coverage regarding all of these various places on here in numerous threads over the years.
Edwin Van Eck has recently introduced new 3D parts that help with extra rollers etc within the new guides, but as Ugo himself here as pointed out, they are prone as a machine to scratching as all too many owners of these over the years will testify.
Whether or not the issue can be completely eliminated for good, remains to be seen I'd have thought.
[ May 02, 2016, 06:38 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]
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Andrew Woodcock
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From: Manchester Uk
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posted May 02, 2016 05:33 PM
If I hadn't had as many as I have had over the years, I wouldn't be so quick to point out these watch outs, as I'd just put it down to me having a worn out lemon of a machine.
But the fact I've now had five bites at the cherry, all in reasonable, or better still excellent cosmetic and mechanical condition, means I have come to the conclusions I have got now Tom.
I'm certain, given your time in the hobby, and obtaining those vital brand new spares when you could from Hanimex, has served you very well indeed here.
What we all have to remember now whenever we recommend anything, is the all important spares simply are not often available, certainly not brand new and unused anyhow.
This was primarily my main reason for pursuing the purchase of a Beaulieu projector a few years back, simply because there was no other projector on the market which could guarantee me the same level of support.
I had the first T610 already and I was happy, but even these are not easy to find brand new spare parts for although I have been lucky enough to find the essentials back then.
Not as easy now though I must say, and that was only 4 or 5 years ago.
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