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Topic: Cineavision on 16MM?
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Lars-Goran Ahlm
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posted November 04, 2012 04:59 AM
I recently bought a 16MM copy in scope of Fear is the Key and was amazed when I saw that it was printed in a "Cineavison" fashion. It's a reduction print of a 35MM original with Norwergian subtitles, so It's probably printed locally in Norway.
Has anybody else ever seen one like this, or is it a anomaly in the world of 16MM. I have, so far, only three scope features in 16MM, one made in the US and the other here in Sweden (reduction print with Swedish subtitles) and they both have the picture filling the entire frame, with cropping at top and bottom. And I beleive this was the norm on 16MM just as on super 8.
So how common was this "Cineavision" on 16MM?
The person at the left in the picture above is Ben Kingsley, in his film debut, his next film came 11 years later and then he had the lead role.
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Lars-Goran Ahlm
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posted November 06, 2012 08:42 AM
Yes, I of course ment if I could find them on 16MM.
All these films I mentioned, including "Fear.." but excluding "...Eagles..." I have actually shown in 35MM back in the 80's.
I have "Navarone" on DVD and "Eagles" on Blu-Ray, but I am really disapointed in the latter since the intermission and Entr'Act music is missing.
I am hoping to perhaps find scope copies of these film made here in either Sweden, Norway or Denmark, especially since I have been told that almost all reduction prints made in these countries with domestic subtitles, or sound if a dubbed title, where made on AGFA.
And I also know that there were Swedish scope prints of these titles available in the early 1980's. As I for a brief stint worked at the local high school as a janitor, I saw 16MM catalogs from all major distributors here in Sweden, and they were packed with titles, even those they no longer distributed in 35mm. And there was scope prints of "Ben-Hur", "Spartacus", "Cleopatra", "King of Kings", "Doctor Zhivago", "Sound of Music", "Lawrence of Arabia" and countless others, not to mention the non scope films, and all with Swedish subtitles. How I wish there was such a thing as a time machine, so I could go back and somehow acquire these films. But atleast some should have survived to today.
So the quest for those elusive titles go on.
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Lars-Goran Ahlm
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posted November 07, 2012 08:50 AM
Puppet on a chain is on my list, but sadly it's not in scope.
Apart from being a good MacLean film it also has a Swedish actor/singer in the lead role. And it just happen to be that he is a very distant, but never the less, a relation to me.
Eagles are unfortunately not the only films on DVD or Blu-Ray that has the intermission and Entr'Acte edited out. I have come across the following: "The Dirty Dozen", "The Great Escape", "Kelly's Heroes", "The Longest Day", "War and Peace" (this one is exceptionally bad, it says in the titles the sound are in Perspecta, a early stereo process, yet the sound on the DVD is mono). And these are just those I have come across, there are probably many more. It's a pity when the same companies that have released these have treated other titles with more respect and included intermissions and overtures & playouts.
As you might guess this is somewhat of a pet peeve of mine, I want to have films presented in original form with all the trimmings. So I better stop now before I start to rant on in infinity.
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