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Topic: A Star Wars Example of Supply and Demand?
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Steve Klare
Film Guy
Posts: 7016
From: Long Island, NY, USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted September 28, 2017 02:54 PM
If I remember right the starting bid on this was $19.99: you get a couple of toppings or delivery you can easily spend that on a pizza!
It's so natural to take a whole bunch of sales and try to fit a trend to them, but there's this delightful randomness that just defies all meaning.
More than once I've seen something I liked and put up the minimum bid ("It'll NEVER go for this little."), and I win the thing. The sharks just weren't off the beach that day, but it may not stop them next week.
It pays to remember when the guy that's so crazed for a title he's willing to dig into his kid's college fund actually gets the thing, he's out of the picture. The following week he's home enjoying his print and he doesn't care if another just like it is available today.
-on the other had, when at least TWO collectors like this collide, it's the perfect storm. (for the seller...not so much their college age kids.)
For myself, I've taken the personal pledge not to bid on optical "Grizzly Adams" until Osi gets his!
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Melvin England
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 707
From: Hull, East Yorkshire, UK
Registered: Feb 2016
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posted September 28, 2017 05:57 PM
Steve - Commenting on your third paragraph, I experienced this recently. I put a bid on a classic Cagney film that I didn't think I had a hope in hell of grabbing at around £70 but hey presto! I won! I thought it would go for double!
Then today, I was chasing another one which was standing at around £50. I bid pretty much the same....another classic film.....Did I win this time? No chance. £155
Just shows there is no significant pattern to bidding nowadays.
As far as "grizzly" goes, it is not necessarily on my "wanted" list and if it surfaced on Ebay UK, it would be a quick private mail to Osi to let him know. I,like yourself, would steer clear of this one as we know just how much Osi wants it. However, if it came up at Blackpool I would get it, watch it, then another quick PM to Osi...!
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Andrew Woodcock
Film God
Posts: 7477
From: Manchester Uk
Registered: Aug 2012
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posted September 30, 2017 05:45 AM
If prints of my own had turned absolute red, and I was looking to offload, then I don't think I'd scrap them so long as they are myler prints, but I would simply look to pass them on to another film lover for the price of the reels only.
Many still get pleasure from viewing red prints and therefore who am I to decide they are beyond their serviceable life?
Obviously for prints like these on acetate, then as they would also be prone to VS as time moves along now, therefore then, I'd scrap this type and keep the reels for my own collection.
At the end of the day, if people can enjoy monochrome prints, made up only of shades of black, grey and white and therefore looking nothing like a realistic recreation of real life through a lens,..
Then why can't shades of red, pink and white be tolerated to bring about a similar mindset and adoration?
Again, it's not for myself to decide they never could so far as what is considered acceptable viewing material so long as the said film is well cared for and therefore fit for purpose.
Personally, I'd be more inclined to remove heavily scratched and damaged prints from circulation, even on LPP, than I ever would decent prints that look pristine aside from the fade to them.
These are the type that are truly ruined for good.
[ September 30, 2017, 09:25 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]
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Rob Young.
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1633
From: Cheshire, U.K.
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted October 01, 2017 07:57 AM
I really do appreciate what you are saying, Andrew, but there are gleaming new digital versions of most movies out there, also made by people that really do care about quality.
I tried to almost give away several 16mm prints at a convention once, and to be honest all I saw was a dealer buying them up at my honest and cheap prices, then re-selling them at ridiculous prices.
Of course, said person passed on the pink prints, as did everyone else.
It did damage my faith in the film collecting business, for sure.
That said, we all know the really great and trustworthy dealers out there.
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Alan Rik
Film God
Posts: 2211
From: New York City, NY, USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted October 01, 2017 02:02 PM
A new print can be made but the cost really is very, very high.
I have seen the prices for raw stock, the work involved, it is not a cheap proposition. And of course you have to find the master material.
For me I wouldn't want a print that was red/pink, soft focus, bad sound, etc. I had those prints and I tried watching them but I couldn't take it. My mind would wander off and I would eventually just turn off the machine. Those are deal breakers for me. I would rather watch the movie on my laptop! I would never trash a print but I would either sell it or give it away. Once they are gone, they are gone as was said before.
If i had the space I would love to get into 35mm. I saw a NEW print of "Enter the Dragon" Scope, the whole works, the new updated version with the additional footage with Bruce talking with the head monk...it sold for $2000! That to me is a bargain. Wish I would of seen it. I would of bought it on the spot and waited till I found a 35mm projector! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
And Star Wars on 35mm? Forget it. That would be incredible.
T2-$1500. And you know the quality of it. That would be $300 cheaper than the Super 8 print. http://www.ebay.com/itm/P0182-TERMINATOR-2-JUDGMENT-DAY-1991-35mm-motion-picture-film-print-FEATURE-/263197644761?hash=item3d47cd57d9%3Ag%3Ac9gAAOSwLmZZtJDs&nma=true&si=pOQyzgOvLzM vL%252Ff6yA2RlnkAqlw%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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Dave Groves
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 508
From: Southend on Sea, Essex, UK
Registered: Feb 2015
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posted December 05, 2017 02:31 PM
In 1979 I purchased a used print of the Halas & Bachelor cartoon 'The Candlemaker'. The colour was lovely and ran it many times. Now my favourite cartoon is red with not a hint of colour. I ran it in my Christmas show last night and said to the audience 'See if you can find something wrong with this cartoon'. From an audience of 35, three mentioned the colour, and when told they were correct, they said they thought it was nice that way!!! Personally I won't show faded prints but where would I find a nice colour copy now. And, if I did, my days of buying prints are pretty much at an end. We all get there eventually. Watching b/w is seeing what exists. Watching faded film, my mind keeps telling me I'm not seeing what I should. I feel cheated, even watching my degraded cartoon is disappointing compared with what it used to be.
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