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Robert Blackie
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posted September 17, 2018 06:38 AM

im guessing the 32 [Big Grin]

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Brian Fretwell
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posted September 17, 2018 06:40 AM

I'm not Maurice, but it is the 32mm that gives the bigger picture.

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Melvin England
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posted September 17, 2018 07:29 AM

Thanks Brian. Hope that also helped you Robert.
I kind of did have an ulterior motive for finding out, as even using this lens does not fill my entire screen as my super 8 lenses do from the same distance, so I need to be on the lookout for a lens that is less than 32mm if one exists.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted September 17, 2018 08:25 AM

Agreed. The 32mm end gives the bigger picture.
The Super 8 range of projectors with their zoom lenses were mainly designed for use in a home environment, whilst the 16mm range were designed for use in larger auditoria.

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David Guest
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posted September 17, 2018 09:30 AM

I can sell you a zoom lens to fit this machine with good clean optics I might even have a 25mm or a 38mm will take a look and it will be a lot cheeper than anyone else on here

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Maurice Leakey
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posted September 17, 2018 09:37 AM

The modern Bell & Howell range of lenses go down to 1" (25mm), this lens will give a picture 5'7" x 4'2" at a throw of 15ft.

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Robert Blackie
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posted September 17, 2018 11:48 AM

Hi David thanks, PM me please (*i assume you can do that here ).
thanks rob

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Mark Todd
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posted September 17, 2018 04:12 PM

Go for at least a 25mm Robert, if you can, or even better a 16mm Elmo 1.4 20mm lens, superb, and releeve it for the B+H easy enough as its 40mm in size and the bell and howell is 52.5mm I think.

But a good 25mm may be just the job.

Though a good Elmo 20mm is fantastic.

Mine off David Guest ( thanks David ) is just brilliant.

Best wishes Mark.

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Robert Blackie
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posted September 20, 2018 09:18 AM

thanks for the info Mark [Smile]

just waiting on a PM.
Rob
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i picked up a 16mm Bell & Howell 2 inch f1.2 for cheap, it looks like it might fit ok.. il let you know when it comes.
BTW my current lens is 2 inch / 51mm f/1.2
looks very similar in size/ threads etc. fingers crossed it gives a bigger picture [Smile]

it says 16mm but i doubt thats the focal length.. probably referring to 16mm pj.. [Confused]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bell-Howell-Projector-Lens-16-mm-2-inch-f-1-2-Made-in-the-USA/253872870722?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2648

[ September 20, 2018, 03:25 PM: Message edited by: Robert Blackie ]

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Robert Blackie
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posted September 20, 2018 06:51 PM

anyone ?
cheers rob [Smile]

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Nantawat Kittiwarakul
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posted September 20, 2018 09:33 PM

So you're replacing the original 51mm lens with 2" lens??? [Confused]

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Maurice Leakey
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posted September 21, 2018 02:23 AM

Rob
You are replacing like for like. Or, am I missing something?

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Robert Blackie
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posted September 21, 2018 03:46 AM

i have no idea, thats why im asking lol
i assumed 16mm was the focal length..it seems odd to print 16mm on the lens otherwise.. also there are no other numbers except the aperture, all the other lenses i have seen have an actual number like 32,38, 40 etc, this does not.
and i assumed the 2 in was the fit size..
ah well, you live and learn.
i have asked he seller to cancel sale, il just wait now, see if he does.
cheers rob

[ September 21, 2018, 04:58 AM: Message edited by: Robert Blackie ]

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Mark Todd
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posted September 21, 2018 03:52 AM

Hi Rob, yes it will be the same size.

You really need a 25mm or so.

Can you exlain you need a different one to the seller, they should be undertstanding that you are new to it etc.

There are good options etc, keep with it, and the bigger picture will work wonders for enjoying the films.

Look forward to it.

Best Mark.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16mm-projection-lens-Bell-and-Howell-Extremely-Rare-25mm-Wide-Angle-Fits-TQs/142915366888?hash=item21466b6fe8:g:i94AAOSwfBFbgBHY

This is right but you should get one for around £50/£60 did you speak to David Guset. hes also a good source to get a few nice cheap bits to get you going etc.

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Robert Blackie
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posted September 21, 2018 04:09 AM

hi mark, yes i see, no i have not spoken to David as he has not PM'ed me yet, so i just sent him a PM.
it is not something im willing to pay £100 on TBH, even £50 seems steep.. i suppose because i have a regular video projector and also a working 8mm / super8 ..also, the thing about old cine stuff i have noticed is, on 8mm you cant really play feature films, and on 16mm, the full length movies are ridiculously expensive !
and a lot of sellers seem pretty greedy asking the earth ...

im more into looking at 8mm and super 8 home movies and the laurel and hardy/chaplin type thing..this is due to the fact that the only 8mm/s8 films are "selected scenes" from movies but people still want quite a lot for them.. looking at it , a full length move on s8 would be about 5 reels long..ive never seen these for sale.

16mm is a bit of a bust for me, i got the PJ cheap but getting any decent film is proving to be a bit of a hike... so spending much on a lens for the 16mm PJ is not really justifiable.
saw pulp fiction going for over 3k last time i looked [Eek!]

cheers rob

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Maurice Leakey
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posted September 21, 2018 06:24 AM

The eBay ad was a trifle misleading, and the pics were not very clear. I suppose the seller put 16mm to show it was a lens for a 16mm projector.
The lens is/was the standard lens as supplied with the projector from new, usually referred to as a 2" (inch), but sometimes quoted as a 50mm.
Either way, it's the same.

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Robert Blackie
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posted September 21, 2018 07:51 AM

yes Maurice, i see that now.
thanks rob [Smile]

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Mark Todd
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posted September 21, 2018 03:38 PM

Hi Robert, you might be as well getting a nice small super 8 sound projector for some real film 8mm fun, a few trailers and digests etc.

16mm is a bit serious. Or you could slowly try both.

Also 8mm image size is less of an issue as most lenses give a far bigger picture than 16mm ones.

8mm is more about fun and faffing about etc too.

But 16mm prints are very very nice.

Theres obviously something about it gets you etc so might be an option to go for the smaller gauge for now or at some point.

I`m sure I can find you a few free super 8 bits and pieces as well once you get a machine if you do go that way.

If you can get a nice Sankyo 501 for around £50 or so you would be away with the right lens and some really good film faddling fun.

I really think its worth a bit of thought.

If you really fancy 16mm David Guest will have some very nice affordable starter films.

Best wishes Mark.

[ September 21, 2018, 05:45 PM: Message edited by: Mark Todd ]

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Robert Blackie
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posted September 22, 2018 06:57 AM

Hi Mark, i have a eumig for 8mm/S8 and i use that, i also use a JVC X30 for HDMI sources..
I didnt want to be limited to 8/s8 hence the 16MM ..i also have a Specto 9.5mm but i need to repair that as the gate fell apart... donnt want my 9.5 films to get wrecked , read the specto was kind to film hence buying it.

I think David Guest must be busy ATM as he has no replied to my PM as yet.
thanks for your thoughts.
Regards Rob [Smile]

update.
the PMs went into my junk folder, David does not have anything suitable ATM lens wise.

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Mark Todd
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posted September 23, 2018 01:01 PM

Hi Robert sorry I thought you were new to film altogther, my mistake.

Just out of interest ( below ) for anyone else interested I found this great starter machine for £50 delivered.

You could try Ian at Perrys he usually asks around £59 ish for a B+H 25mm if he has one.

Best Mark.

https://www.ebay.co. uk/itm/Sankyo-Sound-501-Projector-Boxed-Super-8-Tested-Fully-Working-Free-Delivery/362441942926?hash=item546339278e:g:ebMAAOSw15Zbp1QD

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Paul Adsett
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posted September 23, 2018 11:39 PM

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also, the thing about old cine stuff i have noticed is, on 8mm you cant really play feature films

Robert, where on earth did you get that idea? There are hundreds of full length features available on super 8mm. Just look at the 8mm print review section for just a sample of what is available.

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Robert Blackie
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posted September 26, 2018 07:06 PM

paul, i only buy from ebay UK not many feature film in super 8 there. not at any reasonable price at any rate.

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Mark Todd
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posted September 27, 2018 04:45 AM

Super 8 prices are going nuts.

I can deal with up to around £250 but not beyond that.

There are odd lenses you can put in front of the usual B+H lens that will make the picture bigger.

I have one Kevin Clark very kindly gave me you are welcome to, to try. A bit larger than the zoom converter image would be.

Best Mark.

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Steven J Kirk
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posted September 28, 2018 09:05 AM

For B & H, just seen this one at a good price:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm /TAYLOR-HOBSON-25mm-f1-4-Hypertal-16mm-Projection-Lens-for-Bell-Howell/283151057012?hash=item41ed1e4074:g:cy8AAOSwHShblWBr

This will give you roughly 4ft by 3ft at around 10ft-11ft throw. Roughly, ( haven't done the exact maths.) The throw for any noobs is the film-gate to the screen surface.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted September 28, 2018 11:12 AM

At £65 it is expensive, but this lens will certainly give a large picture as mentioned by Steven.
This was the "biggest picture/short throw" lens that was made for the Bell & Howell.
You would not regret a purchase.

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