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Paul Adsett
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posted December 08, 2004 09:24 AM

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I hope fellow collectors will forgive me for introducing a VP topic, but I would just like to pass along a personal recommendation for anyone considering the purchase of a VP to supplement their super 8mm film collecting. I recently purchased a new Panasonic PT-AE700U projector, and would totally recommend this VP to anyone. It is a 16:9 WXGA LCD projector with 1,000 lumens brightness and a 2000:1 contrast ratio. It features Panasonic's dynamic iris feature which continuously regulates the brightness and gamma level of the picture, and also Panasonic's smooth screen technology which effectively eliminates the screen door effect. It puts out a beautifully rich coloured, bright contrasty picture with NO screendoor effect up to a foot away from the picture! For $2000.00 it is a very good buy indeed, and is equal to or better than most projectors in the $5k- $10K range. I believe this projector is ideal for film collectors for a couple of reasons besides its beautiful picture quality. First, it has horizontal and vertical lens shift capability (similar to the vertical lens shift feature on the Eumig 900 series super 8 projectors), and most importantly, it has a 2X zoom lens ( similar to most S8 projection lenses) so you don'd have the bother of a ceiling mount, and you can put the VP on a shelf or bookcase at the back of the room, in the same place as the super 8 projector. This is a great performing VP for casual viewing of DVD's, but that's all you can do with it, and like all VP'S it is a dull characterless plastic box compared with a GS1200!

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Mike Peckham
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posted December 08, 2004 02:02 PM

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That's very interesting Paul, I am thinking that I shall one day supplement my 8mm collection with DVD but shall have to get young Rexette to do a few more nights at the club before I can afford it [Wink]

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I wonder if the same model is available in the UK?

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Tony Milman
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posted December 08, 2004 02:20 PM

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Paul,

As mike is too shy to ask can you describe the box it comes in? [Wink]

[Wink]

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Paul Adsett
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posted December 08, 2004 06:39 PM

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Mike, tell Rexette from me to get her act together so you can get that VP! As far as I know, the AE700U is available in the UK.
Incidentally, I hope you are planning to bring Rexette to the next BFCC, which I am planning on attending!

Tony, I'm afraid that even Mike would have no interest in this box. It is even blander than the projector inside, if that is possible.

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Craig Hamilton
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posted December 08, 2004 07:00 PM

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Mike, try this link.

http://www.dealtime.co.uk/xPC-PT_AE700U

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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posted December 09, 2004 01:23 AM

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It is available in Europe. It's the one I've got. Paul finished to convinced me when we met a few weeks ago.
We watched "The Empire Strikes Back" last weekend and it was jaw-dropping.

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Chris Quinn
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posted December 10, 2004 08:01 AM

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Paul,
I am thinking very seriously of buying a VP and have been looking for a while, a didn't realise how good these were now and would like to have a set up at home along side the cine.

This one looks the best budget model yet, i shall be doing a search to see how far down i can get the price.

It seems a lot of collectors have VP at home along side the cine and this has to be the way to go, and i thought i would never say that!

Thanks for the info paul.

Chris.

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Paul Wilson
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posted December 10, 2004 09:55 AM

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Hello Chaps

I have got a VP and its only when you get one that you realise how good they are and how you have put up with second rate material for so long, its these sad 8mm collectors that think their is nothing to beat 8mm well their is.

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Tony Milman
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posted December 10, 2004 10:13 AM

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Hi Paul,

You are so right [Big Grin]

[Big Grin]

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Still in a few years you will be saying the same about those sad DVD collectors [Eek!]

[Eek!]

I guess there is room for everything in life and each to his own etc etc.
Just hope you haven't ignited another DVD vs cine debate [Wink]

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David Park
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posted December 10, 2004 10:57 AM

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Yes the 700 is avaiable in UK.
Myself I have the 500 and that is marvellous which is the model that preceeded the 700. It is hard to understand that it could be betterd but all who have the later model say it is.
For those with limited funds have a look out for the 500 at sale prices.

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Paul Adsett
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posted December 10, 2004 11:02 AM

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Paul,
If you feel that 8mm collectors are such a sad bunch, why are you wasting your time (and ours) on this forum? I have a VP too, and it is a fantastic piece of equipment, but I do not feel that the aquisition of one gives me superiority in any way over 8mm film collectors. If you really feel that way, then you have no appreciation at all for the special joys of the film collecting hobby.

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Mike Peckham
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posted December 10, 2004 11:55 AM

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I can never quite understand why it is that people think that 8mm collectors think they have the best and there is no room for anything else. Certainly none of the collectors that I know or have met feel that way, many show both DVD and film at home and enjoy the qualities of each medium.

There has been resistance on this forum to opening up to DVD and I am one of those that would argue against it, but this is not due to film snobbery, it's more about the fact that this is one of the few precious refuges of film for those that want to have a film fix.

It would be a shame to see it diluted.

Just my two penneth... [Smile]

[Smile]

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Tom Mc Kenzie
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posted December 10, 2004 12:18 PM

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Video projectors are fine machines for those who want a easy life and have reached a certain age. I have a friend who after having a stroke couldnt handle threading a film or using his Elmo GS 1200 so he sold his collection and bought a Sharp Video Projector from Derann. Now he still has it in his cinema but I go over to his place and show a few films and even he admits you cant beat film.

It is the "Reel" Thing!!

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Tony Milman
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posted December 10, 2004 12:45 PM

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I knew it...just knew it...here we go again....another flaming thread.....

Why do we take the bait everytime?????

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Paul Adsett
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posted December 10, 2004 12:58 PM

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Sorry Tony, some people never learn! [Big Grin]

[Big Grin]

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Trevor Adams
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posted December 10, 2004 01:55 PM

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The AE700 is the most stunning home projection device I've seen.Watched Singin'in the Rain a couple of weeks ago at 12ft wide.The definition,colours and brilliance were out of this world.Costs $NZ4500 at our appliance stores.Trev

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Paul Wilson
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posted December 11, 2004 02:55 AM

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Hi Paul

I have a very extensive 8mm collection and would never give up collecting film, but their are some 8mm collectors who shall remain nameless that feel that video projection does not come any where near to 8mm its these that are a sad bunch, in this day of modern technology we have to accept that their are going to be things better then what their was and no doubt in years to come their is something that is goin
g to be better then video projection.
si I am not wasting my time and others as you say but trying to point out that 8mm is not the best in quality their are others superior.

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Tony Milman
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posted December 11, 2004 04:16 AM

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Paul

I totally agree with you! Let's face it you can get bad DVD's as well but the quality of modern equipment is superb by comparison to some 16mm I have seen.

I just get a bit tired of the posts on forums that seem to end up in a "handbag" fight between the forums...my Elmo is better than your Eumig...my 8mm beats your 16mm...my DVD etc etc.

Just don't see the point of them!

I quite enjoy all of the various means we have of watching films but on cost alone collecting s8 or 16 is just nuts. However, I do feel obligated to maintaining Mr O'Reilly's lifestyle!

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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posted December 11, 2004 04:43 AM

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I guess it's the result that's important, the projected image, no matter which format is used. (For me, anyway.)
Having something really close to an actual theatre experience at home, where film projectors can work side by side with state-of-the-art digital equipment, is what counts. Some people like traditional projectors, some others like films as entertainment pieces, whatever the format, some like both. If we were stuck with old-fashion films, no one would ever dare talking about synching a super 8 feature with 5.1 sound out of a dvd, wouldn't it? It's all matter of keeping an open mind and putting on a great show.
Also, be aware that some of the early dvd's (with average encoding) don't look that good once projected with such a stunning machine like the 700.

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Paul Adsett
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posted December 11, 2004 08:21 AM

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Hi Paul,
Well I am very glad to hear that you are in fact a super 8mm collector [Wink]

[Wink]

. I thought from your initial post that you were just a VP owner who had come on to this forum to slam 8mm. That's what I do not understand, the film collectors who have got great pleasure out of the hobby for decades, who go out and buy a VP, and then suddenly film collecting is a waste of time and film collectors are an eccentric bunch of people living in the dark ages. It makes no sense because film and VP can happily co-exist and compliment each other, and you can get great pleasure from both. Lets all agree that VP in the home gives a better picture than most 8mm or 16mm in the home, but lacks the special technical interest, showmanship, and special sense of occasion that you get with film.

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David Park
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posted December 11, 2004 10:56 AM

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PT-AE700 from £1250
PT-AE500 from £1000

On the UK internet.

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Michael De Angelis
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posted December 11, 2004 12:04 PM

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I do not own a Video Projector, but I do also watch DVD's on a Sony 35" screen TV. Last August my wife gave me a DVD as an Anniversary gift, of the 50th anniversary Collectors DVD of High Noon. The DVD has plenty of wonderful extras, but the quality of this particular printing leaves me flat and cold.

Also worth mentioning, I have seen varying quality of Laser Disc and DVD; with some Lasers looking better on some titles than DVD, and some film that still blow away Laser Disc.

A few months ago, Paul Adsett reviewed his 8mm features opposite the Sony VP. I am curious of a similar test with the Panasonic.

(Paul A., if you do not wish to post this online, you can contact me off line.)

Happy Screening to all, and to all that enjoy all formats.

HO HO HO!

P.S. Brad, we need a smily with a Santa's Cap! [Smile]

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Alan Gouger
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posted December 11, 2004 02:10 PM

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Hi Paul

Glad to hear your enjoying your VP. I know this projector very well and was surprized to see someone on this forum mention they had one.They recently just started shipping. Its very popular at the moment and it incorporates the very latest cutting edge technology that put this projector way ahead of any other LCD projector. This will bring you many years of enjoyment and its affordable.

Many film collectors consider video taboo but when you cant get your favorite title on film video is the next best thing. No reason they cannot coexist side by side.

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posted December 11, 2004 11:07 PM

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This fall will showcase two new formats (HD DVD & Blu-ray). I'm looking forward to the increase in quality and the increase in the amount of outdated equipment.

Doug

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David Park
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posted December 12, 2004 02:43 AM

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What are these new systems, do they use the same sze as disc as now or something different?
If the 'CD' size will they play on existing DVD players but at present quaulity, and will our existing DVDs play on them?

The introductuin of new discs or whatever will take many years into the shops and we will probably have worn out our present equipment by then.

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