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Topic: Panasonic VP
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Mark Todd
Film God
Posts: 3846
From: UK
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted December 13, 2004 12:05 PM
Hi John I don`t think you can make any comparrison between the old 7k machine and the new panasonic, this rsally is as good or as close to 35mm in the home and beats most many multi thousand machine`s form even not that long ago.
Saying that its not an old sharp is it you have as they really were crap until not too long ago.
Your in the smoke John, it would be ever so simple for you to see one properly set up and you really wouldn`t belive it now, the PT700 by all accounts is unbelievable for the price.
And leaves even good 16mm way behind in its superb qaulity. Have a gander at some screen shots at least.
What it all comes down to is that film can happily sit side by side with VP but film and film equipment prices are coming down, certainly looking on ebay lost of things that would have gone for much more now languish around, projectors go for less, even half of that they would 2 years ago.
Look at that GS1200 I mentioned for £650 not a nibble yet, says it all, whos going to pay that when even a modest new VP for around £450 with 3 years gaurantee will pretty much blow it away.
Film is great fun but its going to have to sit in the fun to fiddle and do spot now, as honestly new VP standards are storming ahead of it.
Also players capable of dvd playing will be with us for 10 to 20 years now as good old joe public have all gone and bought £20s upwards dvd players and now buy dvds in their multi millions, maybe even billions so you will still for donkeys years be able to buy something to show them as there will be a market long tem that will be sated.
A good transfer dvd even on my old sony CS2 banger looks superb compared to most 8 or 16mm but I`ll still love and enjoy film, but well said paul we need to be able to accept that the future is here and all things move on.
I`m telling you now anyone who does cine and gets a panny 700 will be blown away and love it side by side with their elmos etc.
Best Mark.
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Joe Taffis
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1592
From: United States
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted December 13, 2004 05:37 PM
This is an 8mm film hobbyists' site. Folks interested in 8mm film and equipment. This is not a site that determines what is the best way to view a film. This is not a site to debate quality differences in VCRs, DVD players, televisions, etc., and how well they display a movie or show. The enthusiasm with the quality of the video projectors you own shouldn't even be brought up here on the 8mm forum. I also have a pretty good video projector, but other than this sentence(I felt that I needed to mention it), I would never bring the subject up here on the forum. Please guys, I know that you're happy about the quality, and feel the need to share this info, but use some self restraint and don't forget where you are...an 8mm film forum. I would rather read no new posts than posts about unrelated items and equipment...just my 2 cents worth....
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Brad Miller
Administrator
Posts: 525
From: Dallas, TX, USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted December 13, 2004 11:26 PM
*Moving to the Yak forum, since this is not 8mm specific.
*Please upload the pictures to the forum. Linking off-site will produce a broken link sooner or later.
Those screenshots Jean-Marc posted don't really show or prove anything. We have too many variables. First off, there is no proof that some digital touch-ups haven't been going on, so that becomes useless. Second, it just LOOKS like video to me...but then again that may be your digital camera at work, which again makes this useless. Third, the colors are oversaturated, but again this could be your digital camera. Fourth, there is no contrast, again possibly your digital camera.
The only thing screenshots are good for is verifying how badly scratched a film is (but if the scratches move, odds are they won't show up, so even that isn't the best idea in the world). Now if identical pictures had been taken off of the video projector and then off of a film being projected, there would at least be something more to compare.
I'm not taking sides here, but if you put a properly set up (often modified) Super 8mm image up against a DVD as source material, the film is going to win every time (unless it is scratched). However if you don't have the best Super 8mm projector, a DVD projected image may look better than the film. There are just too many variables. Ideally I think both formats can coincide happily in the same room.
Here are some shots from my screening room...
This is a Christie professional 3 chip DLP
Here is a shot comparing the image off of the DLP (right) to the picture off of a very high end LCD video projector.
Another shot of the comparison.
Now the important thing to note here is that while the LCD didn't look bad, when compared to the DLP in these images the LCD looks like CRAP! This is because the DLP was brighter and the camera exposed for the DLP image, thus leaving the LCD not looking too great. The results were not this blatant in person, hence the digital camera is playing tricks on you.
This is a shot running a 35mm print of Blue Hawaii. Notice how nice it looks? Well I've got news for you, the print WAS scratched. However the scratches did not show up in this picture because they were jiggling and the exposure on the digital camera was enough to conceal them.
Here is a shot of Ferris Bueller running. This time you can see the scratches because they were stationary. However there were other scratches on the film that again, did not appear in this picture.
Screenshots really don't prove anything guys. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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