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Posted by Thomas Dafnides (Member # 1851) on March 09, 2012, 07:29 PM:

This will be re-released to theaters soon in new 3-D version (USA).

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on March 09, 2012, 08:43 PM:

This is definitely on my to-do list [Smile]

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on March 10, 2012, 10:11 AM:

I saw the 3D trailer for Titanic along with one for The Phantom Menace 3D conversion/re-release. Titanic just blew the Lucas film away. I was astounded at how good the depth effects were, better than certain films that were actually shot in 3D. I'm looking forward to seeing it.

Doug

Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on March 10, 2012, 01:37 PM:

I saw Avatar in 2D simply because I didn't like putting glasses on top of my own and continually pushing up the 3D glasses during the entire show to keep the glasses up. It is very irritating. However, since then, I purchased a pair of clip-ons that work perfectly and used them recently to watch Phantom Menace. So I may catch Titanic. But it seems they make the trailers look better in 3D than the feature. It was the case with Alice in Wonderland. I thought the trailer looked fantastic and the feature had shallow 3D. And it was the same theater.

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on March 10, 2012, 01:40 PM:

Where did you find the 3-D clip-on. I have the same issue with the glasses sliding down...so annoying!

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on March 10, 2012, 02:25 PM:

I am not sure I will watch this 3D one "jury is still out"

I read this article years ago which makes me wonder how suitable this film is to be released on the 100 year anniversary of this disaster. Is it a case of Hollwood more interested in the....$$$$$$$$...I wonder.

The article.

William Masters Murdock.

Born on the 28th February 1873 place Dalbeattie

He joined The White Star Line in 1901 and served on successive ships until being transferred to the Titanic. His role during the final hours of the sinking is well documented. There are accounts from survivors of how he struggled to save as many passengers as he could before he was washed overboard while battling to free a lifeboat. His last words to a seaman were...Goodbye and good luck.

In 1912 after his death, the people of "Dalbeattie" set up a memorial bursary for the schoolchildren of the town in his memory, and a memorial monument to him can be seen on the wall of the Town Hall.

Accurate historical revisionism, however has never been one of Hollywood's strong points and James Cameron's 1997 epic, Titanic was no exception. In the film Murdock is depicted as a bribe taking coward who panicked and shot a passenger before taking his own life.

Outraged by the slur on their town hero's character, the people of Dalbeattie, like David before them, took on Goliath and demanded an apology from 20th Century Fox. It was slow in coming and initally they recieved no response, but as the town's campaign gathered momentum reaching its peak at publicity sensitive Oscar time, Hollywood eventually admitted it had got it wrong.

On 15th April 1998 an executive of 20th Century Fox arrived in Dalbeattie to formally apologise and to donate 5000 pound to the Murdoch Memorial Prize fund of Dalbeattie High School.

A small price to pay for a brave man's defamed reputation.

End of article.

For me the b/w 1958 film "A Night to Remember" might be the be the more appropriate film on this soon to be "100 year mark" to watch.

Graham.

Posted by Alex Fox (Member # 94) on March 10, 2012, 02:33 PM:

Good on you Graham, I'm with you on this. Alex

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on March 10, 2012, 05:56 PM:

People in general seem to have a weakness for history. A couple of weeks after Titanic premiered my wife was at lunch at her job. One of the women there had just seen it. She said "It was such a sad story, can you imagine if something like that really happened?"

Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on March 10, 2012, 06:51 PM:

Janice-Go to:

http://www.berezin.com/3d/3dglasses.htm

and buy: 3D Circular Polarized Flip-up Clip-ons

I believe they are still in California. If in stock you will get them in a few days.

Posted by Thomas Dafnides (Member # 1851) on March 10, 2012, 07:36 PM:

Back in the 80's, I actually met someone who had a relative on the Titanic, he told the story of women/men throwing their jewelry, gold/silvers coins on to the floor so they could stuff their purses/pockets with apples and oranges....the theory that an orange could keep you alive, while gold would be useless on the open sea (having no idea when rescue would come).

[ March 11, 2012, 04:34 PM: Message edited by: Thomas Dafnides ]

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on March 13, 2012, 08:52 PM:

Thankyou Graham for posting that article.I remember this being
reported on the News and in the press at the time, and I'm afraid
it turned me against James Cameron,for all the much vaunted
research he was supposed to have done.I think a better way to
hit him and the Hollywood gang would have been for a percentage deal on the takings and video rights
instead of the pathetic sum handed over,that way the mistake
would still be paid for as long as that film was shown.It just
underlined what a hack director Cameron really is,and to this
day how this travesty earned 11 Oscars proved to me that the
reviewers taste is in their mouths and as time goes on no doubt
comparisons will still be made between the only other film to have the same number of awards and rightfully be called an
Epic in every sense of the word and that is "Ben Hur."

Posted by Wayne Tuell (Member # 1689) on March 13, 2012, 11:33 PM:

I'd watch this before going to the theater to watch something aimed at generating $$$ vs. actual facts.

https://www.facebook.com/TitanicTVSeries?sk=wall

My friend's great grandmother was on the ship. She was one of the people taken to Macy's when they reached land to replace clothes & household goods lost in the wreck. My friend still has the trunk that was filled & given to his great grandmother. And he still have several of the letter that she got from several other survivors of the wreck. They wrote each other for years afterwards...

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on March 14, 2012, 03:44 AM:

I'm with Graham on this one, "A Night To Remember" is a great film. The 1997 film needs re-editing to remove the main characters and the disgusting treatment of the first officer. Did anyone notice the passenger he shot just happens to be Irish? Some personal prejudice coming in on the part of the film maker there perhaps?

Also, the first officers grave was desecrated after the film. If it is going to be re-released how about cutting it to just show the sinking which is fabulous.

I won't go on about the nonsense with Billy Zane chasing people through the sinking ship shooting at them or the ridiculous scene of two people getting in the back of a car to have sex (in 1912!!!) but I could!

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on March 14, 2012, 06:03 AM:

That's a lovely story Wayne and I'm sure those bits and bobs
are a treasure beyond dollars and cents and to actually put
yourself in the position these people were in makes your hair
stand up,terrifying doesn't cut it.I like many others still believe
Roy Ward Bakers film to be closer to the truth than the cartoon
Cameron made,even with the "stiff upper lip"of the Officers,I had
teachers at school who spoke and carried on the same way"It's
only a broken arm boy get up at once and look lively" because
people did have National pride and It was instilled into you to
give good impressions and discipline was paramount especially
if you represented your school.A far cry from todays Britain where respect and discipline in schools has all but gone.So the
film isn't far fetched,because thats how folks behaved, a far
different set of values and attitudes as opposed to the so called
"smarter generation".

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on April 08, 2012, 04:20 AM:

We went to see the 3D Titanic flick and they got some good 3D effects on screen. If anything we felt it was a bit long to be wearing those glasses and left with slight eye strain but well worth going to see. The cinema was packed out for this first screening here with quite a few girls in tears when whats his name floated away into the deep at the end so quite emotional for some. Good to see the film again on the massive screen as well.

Posted by David Michael Leugers (Member # 166) on April 08, 2012, 01:18 PM:

I have no desire to see it in 3D, but would love to see a new film print in 2D. Great film.

Posted by Thomas Murin, Jr. (Member # 1745) on April 08, 2012, 06:28 PM:

What good is to drag out the Murdoch incident again? For over a decade, it has been over and done with.

James Cameron has personally apologized to Murdoch's decendants and issued another apology on the DVD commentary.

Since the film's narrative is fictional the scene has stayed in.

Suggesting Cameron did no research prior to shooting Titanic is absurd given the mountains of evidence otherwise.

Cameron is on record as saying he did not "want to make another documentary", so he created a fictional storyline centered around the sinking.

However, Cameron was determined to present the sinking as factual. That was in fact, his main reason for making the movie.

ALL movies are created with an eye toward making money, including A Night To Remember and don't you forget it.

Calling Cameron a "hack" is uncalled for and untrue. He was making a fictional movie based on true events. It was not his intention to sully a real life character's reputation.

I seriously doubt a "hack" could have put together a movie as technically difficult as this one.

It is established fact that the ship's officers fired guns into the air to help get the increasingly unruly crowds under control. That Cameron chose to use a real life person and depict him in the manner portrayed was simply a bad judgment call.

Finally, I seriously doubt James Cameron has anything aginst the Irish. There is simply no evidence to suggest this.

That Titanic won the same number of Oscar's as Ben-Hur (1959) does not mean a thing. They are different movies from different eras and generes.

Honestly, people! Lighten up. Jeez. [Roll Eyes]

Posted by Greg Marshall (Member # 1268) on April 08, 2012, 07:47 PM:

Saw Titanic in 3D last night. I have to say, this was my first digital 3D film I've seen. Yeah, I took the plunge, for the $15 cost. I thought they did a good job.... and I don't think Cameron replaced footage with 'digitalized' replacement footage (like, Jack lives in this one???) Ha!... at least I couldn't detect. The effects were pretty good, considering it wasn't shot in 3D. This is one of my favorite films.... and though 3 hours 15 minutes, it went by very fast.

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on April 08, 2012, 09:00 PM:

Considering the millions spent on this movie Cameron should have got his facts right in the first place regarding First Officer Murdoch. When you are using the name and career of a real person he should have got that right. Its no use apologizing later on, thats just bullshit, he got caught out "to bad" can anyone tell me how much money this 3D version has made? and how much the studio or Cameron has given back $$$$ wise to the family and local community since 1997. [Roll Eyes]

Graham..

Posted by Thomas Murin, Jr. (Member # 1745) on April 08, 2012, 09:49 PM:

Graham, the Murdoch family accepted the apology and the previously mentioned donation. That was enough for them. They have long since moved pass all this.

You should too. You're taking this WAY too seriously. The incident is fictional as is the character of Murdoch (in the context of the film). The movie does have the usual notices to this effect in the end credits.

Wow, first The Hunger Games, now this? What's next a rant about the upcoming horror comedy Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Slayer?

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on April 08, 2012, 10:41 PM:

'A Night To Remember" has just been released on Blu Ray by Criterion. We watched it last week and the quality is stunning. I still think ANTR is the definitive Titanic film. It follows Walter Lords book very closely, it is very factually accurate and the acting by eveyone in the film is just great- probably Kenneth More's greatest film. Cameron's movie is not in the same league, despite the $200 million he spent on it.

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on April 09, 2012, 03:50 AM:

Will be watching Night to Remember shortly, but on super 8. [Smile]

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on April 09, 2012, 09:01 AM:

Lee, I had no idea that ANTR was available on super 8. Who released it, and is it a full length version?

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on April 09, 2012, 01:34 PM:

Paul
A Night To Remember was released by Powell Films with a 90 minute running time. It was a popular release at the time, I did have a Super8 copy years ago and sold it [Frown]

but replaced it with another one from the Derann second hand list a couple of years ago. The quality can vary from print to print so watch for that, good movie though, we will be watching the 8mm print again fairly soon.

Graham.

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on April 10, 2012, 04:12 AM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJxj1mou03M

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on April 10, 2012, 06:02 AM:

Paul. It’s worth keeping an eye open for a super 8 print as well. Its one of those films which came out on 8 but was not printed in huge numbers but it does come up from time to time. I keep my print on two 1200ft reels as I do watch it fairly regularly so it makes for ease when projecting and a film which always goes down well with visitors. My print is fine although as Graham mentions Powell prints as with many of the long gone distributor’s quality did vary although sometimes you could be lucky.

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on April 10, 2012, 09:09 AM:

Hi Paul,yes apart from the 5x400 Powell version,which I also have,
Dave West of DCR Films also released this film in the complete
123 minutes.

Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on April 10, 2012, 11:57 AM:

Mike

That is hillarious!

PatD [Big Grin]

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on April 10, 2012, 01:07 PM:

[Wink]

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on April 10, 2012, 02:34 PM:

Thomas,I've got to back Graham in this instance.James Cameron
was supposed to be an experienced film maker making an epic,
I well remember all the hyperbole surrounding this film and all
the "research" that had been done to ensure the facts were correct.To try to pass off slander as a "bad call" shows the lack
of understanding you have for this incident.The Murdock family
no doubt didn't have the money to fight a court case,and unless
you have been in touch with these people,how would you know
they have "put it behind them".It must break their hearts when
they know this film is shown,that the offending scene is still in
there,falsely portraying that officer.No Thomas,he wasn't making a high school movie,he was making a multi million dollar
epic,and he would have had an army of researchers doing the
work,but he chose to let the scene stand,thats how sorry he
really was,but then when has Hollywood let facts spoil a story,
and I still say he's a hack and I'll add plagiarism to that, as he
was taken to court for using Harlan Ellisons story for his film
"The Terminator",and Cameron lost!.As for "lightening up"we'll do that when
heroics in films are shown not to be all American.after a while
it gets beyond tiresome and becomes bloody insulting.Heres
one for James Cameron.....If he was truly sorry.he'd have placed
an apology at the start of his film and not at the end when
everyone has left the cinema.

Posted by Allan Broadfield (Member # 2298) on April 10, 2012, 04:15 PM:

With the best of intentions, when it comes to making a movie of an event that actually happened, the facts often seem to become distorted in the process. John Ford, making 'My darling Clementine', covering the events leading up to the OK coral gunfight, shot an entirely fictional version of the actual event. Taking into account that Ford new Wyatt Earp, as Earp used to visit the Hollywood studios regularly shortly before his death, and the fact that Earp apparently described the event in detail to him, why did Ford use such outrageous licence? He opted to show the legend. I don't agree with this, but it happens with sickening regularity, and I'm sure you can all quote glaring examples, the head of which may be several recent Mel Gibson vehicles. This doesn't help families who feel they have been violated with untruths, but it has always been the case, unfortunately.

Posted by Mitchell Dvoskin (Member # 1183) on April 10, 2012, 04:16 PM:

A recently struck 35mm print of A Night To Remember will play at The Landmark Loews Jersey theatre in Jersey City NJ (USA) on Saturday night April 28th, along with a recently struck print of The Posiden Adventure later that evening.

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on April 10, 2012, 04:38 PM:

A recent programme on TV shed light on an epic on the Titanic
disaster that was made during the war by the Nazi's to try
and discredit the event,pushed through no less by Josef Goebbels
for his purpose of propaganda.It all came to nought and ended
with Goebbels banning his own movie.Strange as it may seem
some of the footage ended up in Roy Ward Bakers "Night To
Remember".

Posted by Thomas Murin, Jr. (Member # 1745) on April 10, 2012, 05:38 PM:

Here's some actual facts I found from an online biography:

After the collision, Murdoch was put in charge of the starboard evacuation during which he launched 10 lifeboats, containing almost 75% of the total number who survived.[11] He was last seen attempting to launch Collapsible Lifeboat A. He was never seen again after Titanic disappeared into the Atlantic Ocean on the morning of 15 April 1912. His body, if recovered, was never identified. Within days of the disaster, several crew members and passengers began to speak of a suicide that occurred near the end of Titanic's sinking. It is unclear who may have committed suicide, some claiming it was Smith, Wilde, or Murdoch. Several members of the crew, including the ship's lamp trimmer, Samuel Hemming, and Second Officer Charles Lightoller said they saw Murdoch attempting to free Collapsible A from the falls on the Boat Deck just before the bridge submerged in the final stages of the sinking, when a huge wave washed him overboard into the sea.[12] Surviving wireless operator Harold Bride later stated that he saw Murdoch in the water nearby Collapsible Lifeboat "B," but that he was already dead.

Murdoch is also seen commiting suicide in the 1996 CBS miniseries. We will never know how he met his end but suicide was, indeed, a possibility.

The real issue is that of Murdoch shooting and killing two men. I agree this was wrong. But I seriously doubt James Cameron did it out of any malice toward Murdoch.

As I stated earlier, this Titanic is 100% fictional. Therefore, all characters, including Murdoch are fictional. The movie is entertaninment, not a documentary.

Film critic Roger Ebert has stated numerous times that a movie "based on true events" almost never is and is usually used as a marketing device.

I NEVER said there was an apology in the films end credits! I just pointed out the the credits state that the film is fictional.

"Artistic License" has been used to cover any number of wrongful portrayals. You may not agree with it but I personally, would NEVER deny any filmmaker the right to make a movie as he or she sees fit.

As for Murdoch's decendants, I was wrong to suggest that they have put it behind them but with no word from them on the re-release, I can only conclude they have chosen to remain silent on the matter.

I did find a comment from one of Murdoch's decendants saying that the family would be "content" with an apology somewhere in the film's credits.

Again, the movie is fictional as is all characters and events so FOX/Cameron will never feel the need to include such an apology in the credits.

Agree or disagree. Like it or hate it. The movie will exist as is for all time and it will continue to gain fans.

BTW, the current gross for the 3-D re-release stands at roughly $50 million worldwide (as of this writing). More than enough to cover the $18 million required to convert the film to 3-D. The final, projected gross from this re-release is $150-$200 million worldwide.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on April 10, 2012, 05:40 PM:

The first time I saw Cameron's Titanic I was struck by how much it copied A Night To Remember in many of the scenes and individual shots. You can argue that if he had closely followed Walter Lords book that he would have inevitably ended up with the same film scenario as the 1951 A Night To Remember. But its a little too close for that. I think Cameron decided that he could not improve on ANTR so he just copied a lot of it, knowing that the vast majority of his audience had never even seen ANTR. Given today's film technology Cameron had the opportunity (and money) to make the definitive Titanic movie. He failed because he fictionalized much of the story and trivialized it with a star studded romance that just detracted from the gravity of the event.

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on April 10, 2012, 06:50 PM:

Here is a small part from a letter you should read, written to "Mrs Ada Murdoch" in 1912 from Second Officer Herbert Lightoller and signed by him, plus three officers of the Titanic.

Second Officer Lightoller states in the letter that he was the last man to see Mr Murdoch alive.

As the letter is lenghty here is only a small part, but it does sum things up. I should add that the assumption that he was dead from suicide was made by people who never new the man.

Quote from the letter 1912.... Mr Murdoch was working hard personally assisting, overhauling the forward boat's fall. At this moment the ship dived and we were all in the water. Other reports as to the ending are absolutely false. Mr Murdoch died like many doing his duty.

End of Quote.

Here is some more from the "official site" you might find of interest.

Mr Murdoch was married to Ada Florence Banks a 29 year old New Zealander school teacher, she left Britain before the town memorial was erected and stayed for a time in Brittany, possibly to try to overcome her anguish and to be close enough to sell her house. The start of the First World War in 1914 made Ada leave Brittany and settle in London, where she was visited by some of her New Zealand relatives who were on leave from the fighting in France.

In 1918, Ada returned to Christchurch New Zealand, dying on the 21st April 1941 aged 65 years.

To the day of her death Ada remained bitter at the way in which White Star Line had ignored her as Wiliam's widow. She never married again. She said to her family that her only disappointment in the marrage was that she and William had never had any children . Her love must have been abiding and very deep.

End.

More you read about it the more I get annoyed at the liberty that James Cameron took with with peoples names and the part they are portrayd in this disaster who are no longer around to defend themselves. Cameron should have done the right thing and removed that part in the film, both on the video/dvd release and now the 3D version. This film although a fiction regarding Leo and Kate but the rest is based on "fact" real people, real events in history and as such he should have respected them a lot more than he did.

Graham.

Posted by Thomas Murin, Jr. (Member # 1745) on April 11, 2012, 01:10 AM:

This will be my final thoughts in this thread which is just going in circles:

Once again, James Cameron is on record as saying he didn't want to, "make another documentary" or a docudrama like Night To Remember. He wanted to make something more original and unique.

The Terminator case involving Harlan Ellison was settled out of court by Orion Pictures. James Cameron was not involved, never got to tell his side of the story, and is on record as being against the settlement. To this day, Cameron denies stealing any of Ellison's material.

As for the Murdoch situation, the truth lies with history and his family. A 15 year old movie is irrelevant compared to that. The truth always trumps fiction.

I will continue to enjoy the 1997 movie Titanic for what it is, not what it could/should be.

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on April 11, 2012, 02:30 AM:

For entertainment yes [Roll Eyes]

many will enjoy sitting eating their ice creams, stuffing their faces with popcorn in a nice warm theatre and to hell with the facts and if someone good name and reputation gets in the road of making lots and lots of money "then who cares"...that seems to be "Hollywood" way of thinking. In my book thats selfish and narrow minded and James Cameron "Titanic" since its release in 1997 with no corrective editing to the movie in that time has proved to be just that.

Graham.

Posted by Patrick Walsh (Member # 637) on April 11, 2012, 03:01 AM:

ill be running my Titanic films on film over the next few days, first up Fox's Titanic from 1953!

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on April 11, 2012, 08:28 AM:

The court case with Cameron was no doubt settled out of court
because when viewing the "Outer Limits" episode "Soldier", it's
easy to see where he got his idea for "Terminator" and he didn't
have a leg to stand on.Regarding the slander on an innocent
man,obviously it doesn't matter to Cameron,he is a maker of
a cheap film,regardless of the multi million dollar budget that
reads like an episode of "Love Boat" with a sad ending.Actually
I find all this "Titanic" fever rather sick,as it's just another way
of "dining out" on a tragedy,even to the point of a memorial
cruise to the grave site,and everyone on board is buying the
keepsakes like fun,but then there were no back doors in the
sick individuals that ROBBED the grave site of this stricken
vessel,in the guise of "saving it for history".Where the great
dollar is concerned greed knows no bounds.At least Mr Ballard,the discoverer of the sunken wreck
left a plaque at the site when he left it.......untouched.Personally
I'll be glad when the circus has left town,and no I won't be
using this event as an excuse to show a film,all thats required
is a moment of reflection on the day,and a silent prayer.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on April 11, 2012, 10:37 AM:

I remember when I was a youngster in Wales I came across a scatchy old 78 record one day which had a song about the Titanic sinking. I played it on my parents Marconi Radiogram.
I have always remembered the tune but forgot most of the Lyrics. Well a little web research found the song:

The TITANIC

It was on a Monday morning just about one o'clock,
The great Titanic began to reel and rock.
And the people began to cry, saying, “Lord I'm going to die.”
It was sad when that great ship went down.

When they were building the Titanic, they knew what they would do.
They were going to build a ship that the water would not go through,
But God with his mighty hand showed to the world what he could not stand.
It was sad when that great ship went down.

It was sad when that great ship went down,
It was sad when that great ship went down.
Husbands and wives, little children lost their lives.
It was sad when that great ship went down.

Now as they left old Eng-a-land, they were pulling from the shore.
The rich they did declare they would not ride with the poor.
So they put the poor below, they were the first to go.
It was sad when that great ship went down.

It was sad when that great ship went down,
It was sad when that great ship went down.
Husbands and wives, little children lost their lives.
It was sad when that great ship went down.

Now the people on this ship they were a long way from home,
With friends all around them, didn't know their time had come,
But death came riding by, sixteen hundred had to die.
It was sad when that great ship went down.

It was sad when that great ship went down,
It was sad when that great ship went down.
Husbands and wives, little children lost their lives.
It was sad when that great ship went down.

When the Titanic was sinking into the icy sea,
It's said that they were singing "Nearer, my God, to thee"
Nearer my God, to thee.
It was sad, when that great ship went down.
-------------------------------------------------------------
And the film that stands head and shoulders above Cameron's soap opera:

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on April 11, 2012, 11:27 AM:

A good trailer to 'A Night To Remember' was also released on Super 8 by CHC. It's on a reel with the trailer to the 1959 'The 39 Steps'.

Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on April 11, 2012, 11:53 AM:

For educational and historical purposes, I have posted a video of most of the 1x400 "A Night To Remember". Most, not all, because of my 15 min. time limit for videos. Rather than post two separate clips beacause the digest runs 17 min., I have removed the (fictional) christening at the beginning, the scene with Jack Phillips (Kenneth Griffith) and Harold Bride (David McCallum) in the wireless room and the first conversaion on the bridge between Lightoller (Kenneth More) and Captain Smith (Laurence Naismith).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npkIiPPu4cc

As noted on another tread , the scene of Lightoller finding a dead child in the water that was later cut from most prints is included in this film.

There is a review here.

http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000236

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on April 11, 2012, 12:54 PM:

Allan ...

Usually, the "embellished version" is far more entertaining and more honorable, that's why the facts usually aren't stuck with.

What sounds better?

The heroric Valance, with faithful girl by his side, pulled out his six shooter, waiting for balck bart to get his gun out of the holster, and only after pleading with Bart to not shoot, shot Bart in self defense and in defense of his true love fair ...

or ...

"Hell I shot that snake in the back, even though that bi**h rode him every night behind mah back! I blew his honery hide away, ya think I was gonnah let him have the first shot?!"

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on April 11, 2012, 01:22 PM:

Well actually Osi,thats just what a lot of my heroes in Italian
Westerns do,which is why I like them so much,as Tuco said in
"Good,Bad & Ugly"......."If you're gonna shoot,shoot!Don't talk!"

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on April 12, 2012, 04:45 AM:

This evening on TV was the story of the making of the 1943 German film "Titanic" which at the time of release was itself banned in Germany until 1950. It was mentioned some parts of this film was later used in "A Night To Remember", does anyone know which scenes were used?

Graham.

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on April 12, 2012, 01:58 PM:

From what I saw on the programme and the Baker film,I would
hazard a guess and say the scenes of people jumping into the water from the ship and some long shots of the lifeboats with
the liner in the background as they looked familiar.As the
narrator in the film said Graham,it's unlikely Goebbels would get
a screen credit.All the same it adds another facet to this event
that has fascinated people, and will do so for years to come.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on April 12, 2012, 02:54 PM:

Cameron was on MSNBC today talking to Andrea Mitchell. I have to say I like the guy! He is obviously very bright and certainly has a lot of guts going on that solo descent to the bottom of the Mariannas Trench in the Pacific. Since making Titanic he has become intensly interested in, and indeed an authority on, deep submersible exploration. He said his main reason for the 3D upgrade of Titanic was to get people back into the theaters who had never seen it before on the big screen, and he said the 3D added a more impactful experience. He also said that he did it to demonstrate that old classic films could be given a new lease of box office life by converting them to 3D!1 [Eek!]

Nevertheless, some of us here have beaten up on the poor guy, perhaps unjustly, so I for one will give him some slack and say that the present cinema scene would be a lot less interesting without him.

Posted by Allan Broadfield (Member # 2298) on April 12, 2012, 03:03 PM:

I fully recognise that 'artistic licence' is, and always has, been the order of the day as regards movies. This was probably more evident in the past, witness the clean shaven and well dressed costumes worn by most of the 'goodies' in films years ago, a huge contrast to old tin type photos taken at the time showing moustaches drooping down to their chins and clothes that looked like they'd just shopped at a charity store. Was it Burt Lancaster's decision to play Wyatt Earp without that splendid face fuzz in 'Gunfight at the OK coral'? Nevertheless it was a great film.
As regards the aforementioned comments on 'Titanic', it would have cost a fortune to remake bits, so it aint gonna happen, despite that fact that it made more than a fortune.
Personally I prefer 'A night to remember', at least they remembered the bit where the Titanic crew desperately tried to signal their distress to a nearby ship, and was totally ignored, as they chose to consider it a fireworks display.
Fact is often stranger than fiction.

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on April 12, 2012, 03:09 PM:

Well said Paul! I was a bit hesitant to step in here because any situation in which films (or directors) that some greatly admire are receiving harsh criticism can become heated, and it's easy to become drawn into writing long posts which ultimately are unlikely to change the point of view of anyone. But considering the amount of entertainment that some of Cameron's best work - which in some cases I consider innovative and highly imaginative - has given me, I do have to say that seeing him described as a "hack" director in this thread was extremely provocative!

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on April 12, 2012, 03:26 PM:

Lee, I desribed the man as a hack director and also a plagiarist
and I stand by that.If that man had maligned a member of my
family in such a way,then turned up at my home to try and
justify himself,then I'm afraid my hands and feet would have put
an end to his discussion,cos' thats what I do.

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on April 12, 2012, 06:21 PM:

Sorry Lee the above should read Adrian.

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on April 12, 2012, 07:58 PM:

Hugh - I acknowledge that you're perfectly entitled to your view but with regard to describing Mr Cameron as a "hack" director, I felt I should express my disagreement. I won't go into details why, though, as I don't think there's much chance that either of us are likely to change our minds!

Posted by Patrick Walsh (Member # 637) on April 13, 2012, 07:16 PM:

Watched the Kino DVD of the German Titanic from 1943, a very good film and I would recomed the DVD as it also has on it a 1912 newsreel with the Titanic sinking, and also a promo film from the White Star Line in the early 1920s about Titanic's sister Olympic.

Also last night I watched the 1st episode of the new Titanic miniseries, looks good.

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on April 14, 2012, 02:28 AM:

Well folks, its the evening of the 14th April, in a few hours time it will be 100 years since "Titanic" came to grief hitting an iceberg, soon I will thread up the projector and run "A Night To Remember" to mark it.

Graham.

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on April 14, 2012, 12:44 PM:

Titanic fans may find this of interest:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/04/16/120416fa_fact_mendelsohn

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on April 14, 2012, 12:57 PM:

LOL [Smile]

Edit: Michael...you must have changed the link...I was commenting on this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJxj1mou03M&feature=g-hist&context=G2a75243AHT4m3-gAAAA [Big Grin]

[ April 14, 2012, 05:07 PM: Message edited by: Janice Glesser ]

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on April 14, 2012, 02:39 PM:

An interesting and well written article.

Graham.

PS.If you watch the dvd you will notice the part has beem removed from the film, where the dead child is handed to Kenneth More on the upturned lifeboat. cant think why that scene was removed?, as its there complete on the Super8 print.

Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on April 14, 2012, 06:31 PM:

Graham,

I read a review of the new Criterion blu-ray of ANTR. Apparently, the scene has been put back in.

I do not have it myself but as soon as I do I will confirm. The transfer is supposed to be excellent.

In the meantime, if I get back from the hospital before 11, I may watch some the new miniseries tonight. ABC is running 3 parts from 8 to 11.

Also, in other ships on blu-ray news, 20th Century Fox has finally released "The Poseidon Adventure" as a Wal-Mart exclusive. It has all of the extras from the DVD. I hve only watched some of it as there are sound problems with my disc. Will have to replace it this week.

Chris

[ April 16, 2012, 03:01 AM: Message edited by: Chris Fries ]

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on April 15, 2012, 03:17 AM:

Janice - the you tube link was earlier in the thread. I posted a new link to the New Yorker piece.

Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on April 15, 2012, 03:33 AM:

Thanks Chris

That would be great and glad you mentioned it. I will keep an eye out for that one, hopefully they will release it out here.

Graham.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on April 15, 2012, 09:45 AM:

A Night To Remember - Blu Ray

Well this month is the 100th anniversary of the Titanic sinking. James Cameron is rolling out his epic movie again, this time in 3D, and Criterion have just released a Blu Ray edition of, what most people regard as the definitive Titanic movie, the Rank Organizations classic A night To Remember. Starring Kenneth More in what is probably his best film, ANTR is really more of a documentary film than any of the other dramatized versions. It has none of the superfluous romance story of Cameron’s film. ANTR was made on a shoestring at Pinewood studios compared with Cameron’s $200 million plus epic, but despite this it is by far the better film of the two. In fact if you compare them you can see that Cameron copied ANTR almost shot for shot in some places.
The new Criterion Blu ray has been mastered at 2K resolution from the original 35mm camera negative, which was restored by ITV studios. It is presented in its original 1.66:1 aspect ratio. And it is a brilliant restoration job, the best I have ever seen this film, with deep contrast and razor sharp images showing amazing details I have never seen before. The mono sound track is excellent, very clean with all hiss and noise removed.
Extras include a 24 page booklet about the Titanic and a 1 hour documentary on the making of the film, an interview with one of the survivors, commentary, and a 50 minute BBC documentary about iceberg's.
Very highly recommended.

Posted by Patrick Walsh (Member # 637) on April 16, 2012, 02:33 AM:

I'll be buying that Paul! I see also Fox has re-released the 53 Titanic on Blue-Ray so i will be getting that as well!

Pat

Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on April 16, 2012, 02:56 AM:

The Barbara Stanwyck/Clifton Webb film is on blu-ray? Awesome! I hope it has all the extras from the DVD. I watched the "Beyond Titanic" documentary last night. It covers all of the films made about Titanic up to the Cameron film. It also talks about how the Titanic inspired Irwin Allen to make "The Poseidon Adventure". The DVD has some newsreels and two commentaries.

Also, I watched my 400' S8 digests of this film and ANTR two nights ago. I think both are edited very well. "Night" looks good but "TITANIC" is a bit washed out. Anyone else notice this or is it just my print?

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on April 16, 2012, 03:46 AM:

It’s been nice reading all the Titanic posts on here and elsewhere over recent days, along with the mass on television coverage and radio broadcasts taking place. Perhaps the highlight for me was the gorgeously crafted ‘Titanic A commemoration in film and music’ which was from Belfast. The programme included some thoughtfully presented music, words and clips which made for a superb programme and we sat here silently enjoying it. Its not very often you see such a high quality content live broadcast these days but they certainly pulled it off very well indeed.

Posted by Patrick Walsh (Member # 637) on April 16, 2012, 04:12 AM:

Hi Chris
My 400ft TITANIC is washed out as well also has some scratches that are in the master that was used which is a shame, got it on 16mm as a feature though and it is great!
Yea I hope the blue-ray has the special features on it like the dvd, One of the best things on it is the audio commentary with Robert Wagner giving some interesting insights, as well as several others who worked on the film. there is a website that shows all the models etc from the Titanic films and is very interesting to see the 1953 Titanic model is still with us after becoming the Queen Mary in Gentalmen Prefer Blondes and the Goliath in Goliath Awaits then being restored back into the Titanic again.
http://www.jimusnr.com/Model1953page.html

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on April 16, 2012, 01:29 PM:

I had to do it. I pulled out my 400ft reel from Cameron's "Titannic" (it's the reel where the ship actually hits the iceberg) ...

By the way, we (wife and I) also watched a documentary on PBS about the Titannic sinking. It was quite interesting, in that it has a lot more onfo about the behind the scenes stuff, how the brave souls kept the boilers going for as long as possible, ect. It was quite good. It has a great number of dramatizations, but based upon the factual accounts.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on April 16, 2012, 03:36 PM:

Did'nt Blackhawk put out a short reel of actual Titanic footage, including shots of the staterooms and Captain Smith on the deck?

Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on April 16, 2012, 08:42 PM:

Paul,

Yes, there is a Blackhawk release of Titanic.

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on April 17, 2012, 02:51 AM:

Yup and the only problem with it was the ship shown was the Olympic. The film was produced by a quick thinking film maker in 1912 for a paying public that was more than keen to see footage on screen. The old Blackhawk release is however rather interesting and quite nice to watch out of curiosity alone even though it’s not the actual Titanic. We will be projecting this film at the film fair this weekend by the way.

Here is the newsreel http://youtu.be/93bf8ITtiVI

Incidentally the chap who posted the above clip is the UK leading expert on RAISE THE TITANIC and well worth watching all his clips.

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