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Maurice Leakey
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As 3D attendances diminish, now it's 4D. But not for me. I still remember a ride at Universal Studios in Los Angeles where my seat moved violently as my "space ship" was attacked by Aliens. I was so glad when it finished.

Now the UK's first 4D cinema has opened. Do you fancy water being splashed in your face?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/introducing-uks-first-4d-cinema-4994064

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Mark Todd
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3D not for me personally.

Its all going a bit crackers with 4K etc as well but you can only get 180p to watch anyway.

Best Mark.

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Jonathan Trevithick
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It's just a gimmick. Warner Bothers Movie World down the road has being doing 4D shows daily for many years. Usually, these are just a 20 minute 3D extract from a familiar family film, accompanied by seat rocking, light water spraying and air blowing at relevant moments.

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Trevor Adams
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Went to the cinema at Madame Tussaud's in 2012.They had a flick on showing super heroes saving London.Well,the seats rocked,the "Hulk" sneezed all over us,cold winds blew us around and finally we got knifed in the back! Funny thing is,I didn't mention these discomforts to my wife as I thought they were only happening to me!!
Was I glad to get out of there.

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Brian Fretwell
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I almost laughed at the news item. It seemed that "Kentucky Fried Movie" sent this idea up many years ago in its "Feel-around" segment - which is in the Super 8 extract of course.

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Ken Finch
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Here we go again!! Its all been done before "Feelyvision" with vibrating seats!!!!! and Smellyvision" Poo!! Not for me, so called 3D is bad enough. Neither can I see the point of 7.1 surround sound or 4G pictues in the home unless you own a multimillionaires mansion. Ken Finch. [Roll Eyes]

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Osi Osgood
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I'm awful glad that "smell-o-vision" never took off as a permanent thing as, with so many comedies dipping into the "cess-pool" for they're humor today, you'd no doubt constantly be getting "smell-o-vision" farts, and hey, you deal with that too much when you go to a movie theater as it is! [Smile]

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Paul Adsett
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3D in the movies is now well into its declining phase, having lost its novelty. 3D television is dead, and 4K is the latest bandwagon to climb on to. Movie Theater popcorn produces more than enough 'Smellovision' for me! [Roll Eyes]

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Mark Todd
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What K is it in the cinema,s now ?

Thanks Mark.

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David Ollerearnshaw
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I think my local is 2k. It has a small problem near the top of the screen where it seems to be slightly darker.

"I almost laughed at the news item. It seemed that "Kentucky Fried Movie" sent this idea up many years ago in its "Feel-around" segment - which is in the Super 8 extract of course."

Is this the one where he ran out when the adult films came on?

Looked yesterday at the 4k TV the image to me does not seem real.

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David M. Ballew
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I regret that so many of you feel a sense of hostility toward stereoscopic movies. They've been around since 1915 or earlier, depending who you ask, and have been intermittently a part of the motion picture scene since the silent era.

Some pretty decent movies have been made in 3-D, many of them shot on film, for those of you keeping score. Sergei Eisenstein and James Cameron are but two vocal cheerleaders for 3-D over the years, and such important names as Norman MacLaren, John Ford, Raul Walsh, and Alfred Hitchcock were connected with one 3-D film or another during the 1950s.

I agree that 4-D movies are gimmicky. They're often shown in special venues, where the point of the presentation is to amuse tourists and their families. They're not meant as high art, and I suppose it's understandable that they're not everyone's cup of tea.

Three-D in its present digital incarnation has been around a lot longer than any previous iteration. The 3-D boom of the 1950s lasted but 18 months-- 27 months if one counts that one stray release in 1955, Revenge of the Creature. The boom of the early '80s only lasted about as long, with far fewer 3-D films in release. The current spate of digital 3-D films has been ongoing since 2005, starting with the release that year of Chicken Little.

Then again, it may be as you say, that 3-D is dead. But I counsel you not to gloat. By my reckoning, there are at least 12 3-D movies slated for release Stateside in 2015, and more may yet materialize. Sadly, I would be very astonished to see 12 new 35mm film releases this year... and certainly not 12 Super 8 releases.

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David Ollerearnshaw
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I'm not against 3D. I’ve seen a few in the Polaroid system and enjoyed them. I think my problem with the 3D TV is I have never seen a proper film on them. All have the demo showing which puts me off buying one.

Perhaps if I watched a film I might be sold on one.

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Graham Ritchie
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I think 3D is here to stay at the cinema. The digital presentation that I have watched on Christie projectors like :Hugo"..."Gravity" and "Life of PI" were made for 3D presentation and looked visually stunning. This is really where digital projection wins out over anything 3D on film that I have looked at in the past.

Some of the 3D conversions such as "Beauty and the Beast" have looked terrible, but if the movie is made for 3D then its a much different ball game. [Smile]

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Mark Silvester
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Hi all

I actually enjoy 3D now and again, mind. I have a little selection that I watch on my TV via my 3D blu ray player - Life of Pi; Avengers; Tin-tin and the Hobbit movies stunning in 3D. Like I said though...it is something I watch occasionally at the cinema too but ny NO means could I watch it all the time. I do think it is here to stay though...otherwise it would have disappeared 2 - 3 years ago.

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I like the 3D technology but not the "films" that are made. Most of these films are animated films (like Tintin), which I don't like (I want a real cartoon or a film with actors, not something between that). Gravity is not animated but there is no story : what is told in 1hour 30 could be in less than 20 minutes. Hugo is one of the few exceptions : a (in my opinion) very good 3D film. I don't understand why 3D films don't use more real actors.

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Mark Silvester
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Hi, Dom

I suggest you try "Life of PI" as it is truly stunning and uses actors alongside CGI (I too hate CGI in general because I think it has cheapened things in terms of making real artistic effort and I long for hand drawn animation..). I have to say that 3D works very well when used as an intrinsic part of the whole process of making the movie - becoming a part of the storyline as an enhancement visually. I never EVER liked it when used purely as a gimmick! All the best.

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Thanks for the suggestion, Mark. I cannot Watch 3D on my TV (probably the next set I will buy will be 3 D but so far I'm happy with my 7 years old tv), so all the 3D films I saw were at the videma. They re-issue films fromtime to time and will be watching to see if that one comes on the screen again.

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Brian Fretwell
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The main trouble to me about "3D" films is the directors using it mainly for gimmicky "out of screen" shots not to make the films better (more natural) to watch. Also the strain when shots alternate from objects behind to in front of the screen, changing the toe-in of your eyes without changing focus causes a confused message to the brain which some people find head-ache inducing. The best one I have seen was the Image "Space Station" film, high resolution, all enveloping and sequenced distances.

The right technique for the story being told is most important not the flashiest.

And yes the Kentucky Fried Movie sketch was the one that ended with the man leaving as the next film was announced to be "Deep Throat".

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Sheesh, all of this digital ...

I remember the backlash when Peter Jackson premiered his "The Hobbit" on digital. It was totally looked down on in general, as, it looked like a video presentation and the make-up, which would look perfectly normal and passable on film, looked ever so slightly fake.

You just can't replace the magic of that wonderful thing we call celluloid! [Smile]

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Mark Silvester
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Sorry Osi - don't agree with your blanket comment..."what's this about digital".. - to me watching a "movie" and that is a generic term that cannot be pinned to "Film" or "Digital" - is, and always will be about entertainment...bit like all that video...digital stuff YOU... constantly put up on You Tube! And ask us to go follow..!Lol

I love film and I love ANY media that allows me to be entertained "entertainment wise".

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Osi Osgood
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I see where you are coming from, "It's the story, not the format", argument. It holds water of course, but film just can't really ... be replaced.

I just put links up to my stuff as, well, some friends on here like to keep up on the stuff. Personally, I just like doing it. Being a creative person, I can't help it.

Digital certainly has it's place, however. I mean, I haven't shot any super 8 home movie footage in years and when I do a shoot for my music videos, it's on FLIP HD digital video.

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Mark, you can appreciate both media but having a preference for the real film. I watch tv and sometimes YouTube but it doesn't give me the same pleasure as film. The same when I go to the videma. Although digital has replaces 35 mm for years, now, I still miss the film and the pleasure I have is lower that the one I had with 35 mm projectors.

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Totally agree with you, Mark -- but around these parts, it tends to be the format for strictly the format's sake, regardless of the superior picture and sound quality of new technologies. After 44 years of film collecting, digital has surpassed the picture and sound quality that I could only wish for (with fingers crossed) but never attain when purchasing a film. Plus, I can now screen movies that will never legitimately be available on Super 8. All formats have their advantages and disadvantages, but to simply dismiss a format because "all that is new is bad" strikes me as very shortsighted for our hobby of enjoying and screening movies.

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What John says makes a lot of sense. I now have a quality of movie presentation from projected Blu Ray that IMO is as good as anything in the commercial cinema. But, of course it is not the same as projected film, which has its own unique look and texture. The statement that 'digital has a flat look" has I think a lot of truth in it.
Perhaps we can all agree that the joy of film is very largely associated with the mechanics of projection and the handling of the reels, and the maintainance of film and projection equipment.
Both film and digital are great, and I would not want to be without either one of them.

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I, we.. all love the movies...and as long as I can see, feel...and hear great entertainment..I will embrace it in 8mm, 16mm and digital..it is about the "Movie" and "Movies" An "experience I just love BIG SCREEN entertainment!

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