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Topic: Italy's totally ****** UP POST!!!
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted March 02, 2018 11:46 AM
OK, now I’ve had the time to actually type this out on WORD and able to make this, probably, my ultimate post, (well, perhaps my longest, not including some of my reviews).
I had forgotten to get back to this series of posts and it’s been a few weeks since the end of this. On February 8th (I believe, it might have been the 9th), the film finally arrived …
… and you were right Mark, though you didn’t know it … I returned the package, having it marked “refused/return to sender”
Why, after all of this time?
Backtrack to mid January …
I put in a request for a refund and by this time, it had already been near a month and a half. On about the 20th or so of January, I received an ebay message that stated that, if I didn’t further the request for a refund, ebay would assume as of the 28th that I and the seller had come to some form of “amiacable” settlement concerning the refund.
… however, all I kept gearing from Alberto was, “Please be patient, please be patient, please be patient” ect ect and this wasn’t disingenuous on Alberto’s part, as there WAS the hope that it might finally arrive. Since I had, as of that time, absolutely no tracking information (as of here in the U.S.), that actually stated that it was in fact in the U.S., I continued my refund request as, I was pretty sure that if ebay felt that by the 28th, I didn’t continue my refund request, that we had settled the issue, and with 350.00 dollars on the line, (a very large sum for my family), I couldn’t take a chance that I wouldn’t be able to start a second refund request on the same auction, which I don’t know for a fact, but I’m betting that ebay probably doesn’t allow for.
To be honest, by the time that I received my refund by early February (or was it late January?), I wanted to be completely done with the film and didn’t want it anymore and if the film DID in fact arrive, that I would immediately have one of two things which I and Alberto discussed via e-mails back and forth …
A. I would accept the film and sell it for Alberto over here in the U.S., which, if it sold here in the U.S. to a U.S. buyer, the shipping would be very small and more profit for Alberto … or …
B. I would simply mark the package “refused/return to sender” and Alberto could resell it at his convenience.
Alberto chose to have me send it back to him. In fact, just to alleviate any worried, though not requested by Alberto, I even filmed the package arriving, in the hands of the postman as it was verified to be returning to Alberto directly, (just in case anybody would attempt to call me a liar and trying to keep it for myself), with a close up of the address as, there are always those few on the forums that have always desired to catch Ole OSI being fraudulent, which I’ve never been. Hey, everybody has they’re “enemies.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it has already gotten back to Alberto. I would actually love to hear that it has, of course for, though I was made right with the refund, I’d certainly not wish to see Alberto not have the opportunity to make back with another ebay sale, as much or perhaps even more by re-listing it.
Therefore, I actually started this post originally for two reasons …
A. Quite frankly, to vent about rotten post (which is NOT Alberto’s fault)
B. With the help of the Forum members, to perhaps actually find out where
the package actually was.
So, there you have it Sorry for not getting back on this for quite awhile. No doubt there will be more questions from some …
“ Oh yeah?! PROVE that you filmed it being returned! “
So here's dat ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQaCiR7js8s&feature=youtu.be
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"All these moments will be lost in time, just like ... tears, in the rain. "
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Michael O'Regan
Film God
Posts: 3085
From: Essex, UK
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted March 02, 2018 12:36 PM
Interesting explanation.
Had I purchased the film, I would have felt obligated to accept it, postal delays notwithstanding.
Not to mention the fact that, to have paid $350 for it, I would have to have really wanted the film in the first place.
It would seem that Osi refused delivery of the film for no good reason, other than that he suddenly decided he didn't want the film. Well, that is, by any of the standards we profess as collectors, unfair to the seller.
It's pretty unbelievable really.
If Alberto is happy with this outcome, then hats off to him.
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[ March 03, 2018, 05:09 AM: Message edited by: Michael O'Regan ]
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Maurizio Di Cintio
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 977
From: Ortona, Italy
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted March 03, 2018 12:35 PM
I agree, Tom. All of this thread seems to have no definite purpose (at least retrospectively) but to misrepresent the Italian Mail system. Which is more often than not quite acceptable by any standards: I, too send and receive parcels from many places, both Europe, USA and, as of recently, Japan. I have been doing this for more than 20 years now and I can hardly recall a parcel lost in the system and that was from... Germany (no less!!!). But I did not build a paradigm on this. On the other hand; I sent two cultural boxes during December (about 15th) to schools in Lithuania and Romania for an international project and they both arrived in 3 weeks.
And again I once had to have a box containing a lot of rare books shipped from Cambridge, MA to Italy; I was a university student at that time, collecting material for my dissertation so I sent out that box to myself using the cheapest rate ("surface mail") which I could afford (being on a shoestring budget...); it did arrive but after three months (of prayers and swearing! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) ). So I guess it's all a matter of timing, (bad) luck etc which is not in our control.
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Luigi Castellitto
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 715
From: Campobasso, Italy
Registered: Jun 2013
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posted March 03, 2018 07:41 PM
I no longer understood what happened, I only saw the video, but I did not understand the posts. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
To give an example, of "it happens all over the world":
I bought several times from Russia, also ordinary parcels also arrived always, on average in 15/20 days. Now I am waiting for a parcel from Russia, which has been in Moscow postal center since 1 February (but with the seller everything is OK, if it does not arrive he refunde me).
I received an ordinary package from the UK in a week, while I'm waiting for a 15-day a registered package (shipped before the other).
I received two parcels in Italy, form Italy, all ordinary shipment, two arrived in two days, I've been waiting for the other for a week.
Luck, context, many things...
I mentioned the crisis of Italian post that occurred in December (but I do not think only here), which has created protests and refund for retreat (but no lost packages), but the package of Osi seems a randomness that with that crisis it has nothing to do.
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Winbert Hutahaean
Film God
Posts: 5468
From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted March 04, 2018 06:17 AM
Michael O'Regan wrote
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Interesting explanation.
Had I purchased the film, I would have felt obligated to accept it, postal delays notwithstanding.
Not to mention the fact that, to have paid $350 for it, I would have to have really wanted the film in the first place.
It would seem that Osi refused delivery of the film for no good reason, other than that he suddenly decided he didn't want the film. Well, that is, by any of the standards we profess as collectors, unfair to the seller.
It's pretty unbelievable really.
If Alberto is happy with this outcome, then hats off to him.
Did you really read Osi's explanation above. He wrote:
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Alberto chose to have me send it back to him.
Why it seems to me with your last para wants this saga to continue?
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Alberto Carlo Vangelisti
Master Film Handler
Posts: 412
From: Firenze, Italy
Registered: Jan 2016
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posted March 04, 2018 10:18 AM
Guys ... I make a last post with which I would like to close this affair. I worked hard with all my strength, making complaints first with Poste Italiane and, to follow, even against USPS ... I reiterate the concept that Poste Italiane are not better or worse than USPS or others ... these delays can unfortunately happen all over the world ... even in this specific story if we go to analyze the whole affair observing the tracking ... we can see that the package has been stopped for about a month in Italy and ... a month as well in the USA. ... Who is the worst of the two? Nobody, unfortunately, are things that can happen. It is important, however, that you pass the concept that you can easily buy from Italy and that Italy is a Western European country from which you can buy products and services quietly and serenely ... same as for the United States of America. U.S.A. ... a big country that I love and admire sincerely. I wrote above how much I had taken it to heart to get the film to the friend Osi ... and finally I was successful. When the online tracking revealed that the package had finally been unlocked by the US customs and that it would arrive at Osi's house I was happy, but I received an email from Osi himself asking me, for personal reasons, to reject the film to the sender . ..or to accept it and then sell it himself on eBay and turn the amount obtained to me later. I understood and accepted the personal reasons of Osi ... who is a friend ... and I ask respect for him ... and for his personal reasons reserved ... so I confirmed that he could reject the package to the sender for not create more problems. Now I am waiting to receive the package with the film inside returning from the US, I hope to receive it as soon as possible. I conclude thinking that maybe it was not the case to open this post with the title "Italy's totally ****** UP POST !!!" .... the conclusion of this story makes us understand that a little more reflection would have been appropriate, which I have repeatedly reported and written to my friend Osi. I would like to end this post with good news: as many of you will know I am not a professional seller of super 8 films ... but I can offer professional magnetic striping service for 16mm film, but this is not new. The news is that now I can offer the same service for the super 8 with, of course, the application of two magnetic tracks for even the re-record even in stereo. Here you can see how my work is done on the 16mm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEgyDMLwu1s ... from now ... same thing about the super 8. For detailed information and costs of the service write also on: moviemagnetic@gmail.com. Please contact me with confidence and please consider this unfortunate episode ... simply and only as ... the exception that confirms the rule. Greetings to all of you and to my friend Osi to whom all of you can safely continue to ask him for purchases, exchanges and sales
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