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Chip Gelmini
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Brooksville, FL
Registered: Jun 2003

posted February 04, 2006 10:01 AM

I would like help with this possible problem. In theory, this is a print problem and not projector trouble.

Last February I purchased a print of Terminator from 1984. The print was not in stock, so I had to wait for one to be struck. I was happy to receive a brand new print from Steve Osborne through Derann films.

Unfortunately, I did not play the print until last night. The sound is all there and is properly synced. But there is bad pitch throughout. Can this be easily fixed or does it have to be rerecorded. By this I mean can several coatings (there is atleast 1 already) of Filmguard improve the sound playback?

Any advice is greatly appreciated. I am predicting that I would keep the print as is, because of the cvost and time it would take to find someone to have it re dubbed. I have heard that some redubs don't always come out as good as the original dub made with Derann's equipment.

Chip G

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Paul Adsett
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posted February 04, 2006 10:14 AM

Hi Chip,
How's the weather up in Cape Cod this morning! Usually re-dubbing produces a sound track quality far superior to to the original track recorded on the mag tracks. By re-recording you will get results indistinguishable from HI-FI sound. My guess is that if you re-record the bad section of your film, the rest of the film will sound so bad in comparison that you will want to re-record the whole film!

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Jan Bister
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posted February 04, 2006 11:47 AM

IMHO, this might be a projector problem after all. If the sound is wowing BUT it stays in sync with the picture (esp. during dialogue) instead of going in and out, then you know it's the projector and not the film (as the frames-per-second speed of the projected image will also go through a wow effect, even though it's not noticeable with the naked eye). I hope this makes sense...

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted February 04, 2006 04:51 PM

No not really Jan [Frown]

I would however say that I agree with you about it being more projector related. The thing to remember is that these prints are recorded at high speed and not in real time so any slight wowo caused by the recording equipment would probably not be noticed at std playback speed or would at least be negligable.

The only other possibility is that the original the soundtrack was taken from also suffered from wow?

Has anyone else got a copy of this print so that they can confirm this might be the case.

Kev.

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Chip Gelmini
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From: Brooksville, FL
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posted February 04, 2006 07:51 PM

Hello To All

The weather here on Cape Cod is clammy (get it?) and I can't wait to be in Florida for the month of April. Paul can you redub the print if I bring it down with me? The entire print suffers from WOW and maybe even alittle flutter.

I run with 2 machines via changeover. I can't possibly imagine that both machines would have the same mechanical problems. Not to mention the fact I have far many other prints that play just fine. I'm convinced this is a print problem with sound.

Kev - Bob Pucci has a print of Terminator. He's close to me maybe he could check it. Now his print has the grey stripe laminate and mine has the traditional brown stripe, I wonder if that might have something to do with this.

CG

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Jan Bister
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posted February 04, 2006 11:24 PM

Kevin,

don't worry about following the post I made - having re-read it I'm not sure I'm even making sense to myself anymore. [Roll Eyes]

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Kevin Faulkner
Film God

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From: Essex UK
Registered: Jun 2003

posted February 05, 2006 06:04 AM

Chip, is your print on Agfa or Kodak stock? Derann ahve only been putting the grey stripe on the newer Kodak stock and the Brown on the Agfa. I thought your's was a fairly new print?

Kev.

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Adrian Winchester
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From: Croydon, London, UK
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posted February 05, 2006 07:33 AM

I Have 'The Terminator' and I've seen another print and neither have wow on the sound.

If it was the projector, presumably the same problem would apply to other prints. I've had the occasional print with wow that I've changed for another that's OK, so it can happen, although I find with Derann sound faults that it's generally sound that's muffled or out of sync.

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Chip Gelmini
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From: Brooksville, FL
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posted February 05, 2006 12:29 PM

Yes Kev it was a brand new struck print as of one year ago. At this point it's only been run twice. I have just moments ago applied a second lubrication of film guard. Hopefully this will help how it runs mechanically through the machines. Even though it obviously can't do anything else to the original dub. Hopefully it will help. Will screen it againt in a few days when time allows.

Thanks to all for your replies.

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