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Topic: Bambi (Derann) - Advice needed
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Miguel Gimenez
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Posts: 52
From: Grenoble, France
Registered: Feb 2010
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posted February 22, 2010 01:20 AM
Hello,
I am new here. I am a modest collector of some super8 films, mainly Disney ones (long features and shorts).
I post here today, because I have a problem with a very recent purchase from Derann. I have bought to them a brand new Bambi copy (3x600ft). I have projected it this weekend to check it, using a Chinon SS1200.
The good things, imo, of that copy is that it is a little "wide", I mean they have added little black bars in the top and bottom, so I guess, respecting the aspect ratio of the movie at the time, which was a little wider than what allows the super8 frame. The sharpness is good, just as Snow White or Pinocchio of Derann.
The problem is the color. I have added here some photos taken with color-calibrated equipment, and if you see them in a color calibrated monitor (the photos are already converted to the color profile of internet browsers and windows, so no problem for that), you will see the colors very close/almost equal to the projected ones (maybe the photos are slightly more saturated and slightly more toward pink than the projection, but very slightly)
I have taken about 50 shots from the first reel that you can find in a zip I have uploaded to my personal rapidshare space, and I wanted to post here the link, but sincerely, after reading the film-tech image upload policies I am scared to do it. Could someone tell me if I can put the link here?
So, what I need (quite urgently, tbh...) is that someone who has Bambi from Derann could confirm which colors has his/her copy, (even better if some photos could be posted!). This was sold as full-price brand new, and regarding shape it seems new, but not regarding quality of image, imo.
I have searched these forums and I have only found some "old" reference to Bambi (Derann) as literally "amazing!", but nothing more.
Please, if someone could help me I would be very grateful, as you may understand I am in a rush to solve this before too much time pass.
Thank you very much.
Note: I wanted to upload 6 or so photos, but the policies in the upload page says "As of 9-22-03, posting more than 2 theater images (not for technical assistance) within the forum on a particular thread will constitute your temporary leave of absense from the forums.". Frankly, as it is written, that has scared me, so I have only posted 2 of them, which is a pity. I would say my case is "technical assistance", but who knows. [ February 22, 2010, 06:28 AM: Message edited by: Miguel Gimenez ]
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Miguel Gimenez
Film Handler
Posts: 52
From: Grenoble, France
Registered: Feb 2010
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posted February 22, 2010 01:41 PM
I have check for an ID until movie title and more, I have not seen any writen letters along with the perforations or in other place, and only some words in the frames telling that it is Bambi, Reel 1 and so on. Also seen the "Sync" word and nothing more. Well, there is a frame with the three basic colors (red-green-blue, in stripes), but it doesn't seem any code.
Gary has answered me, and tells that it is the first Derann Disney film with pink cast he knows about and ask me to send back the film to him "for inspection".
I'll send back it to him ASAP.
I have noticed a "strange" thing. Comparing to Snow White and Pinocchio which were bought around 1994-1996, I don't remember correctly, they have the sound stripes in a brown color and the stripe has bump/volume. The Bambi film, has the stripes in black and no perceptible volume at all.
Additionally, the color of the film itslef (just at the beginning of the film, so without any image), in the SW and Pinocchio has a yellowish tone, meanwhile the stock of Bambi, is more gray/little bluish tone. So they seem for my inexperience, different stock. This is surprising considering that Derann released Bambi in the same years. Of course that could be normal if it is a more recent re-release (as Gian mentioned), I don't know. I have done a photo of the two films stripes to compare, that I'll post.
Winbert, I can assure you that in my case the colors are really pink , but I'll try to do something about the photo.
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Miguel Gimenez
Film Handler
Posts: 52
From: Grenoble, France
Registered: Feb 2010
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posted February 22, 2010 03:44 PM
Thanks, they do help. Are they scanned with a flatbed scanner? Really these are the colours I should see. I see that it has also the "brown" sound stripes. Is this a copy of 1994?
BTW, yes, the sound in these black stripes is not so good as with the "brown" sound ones used in , for example, Pinocchio.
I have captured also the first frames of each reel, the same frames you show, and in my copy they are totally pink, all three...
Tomorrow morning I'll try to send back my copy to Gary.
Winbert: the color stripes are only in 1 frame, and with the naked eye they seem normal, not pink at all.
About the volume of the sound stripes, I meant that the brown ones seems to be "painted" on the film, so you can see that it has some "relief","bump" or "volume" over the film, meanwhile the black ones seems flat. I realize that I have not choosen the correct word ("volume") to express that. And at side of this, yes, the black ones (Bambi) does not sound as good as the others...
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