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Miguel Gimenez
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 - posted April 11, 2016 02:07 PM      Profile for Miguel Gimenez   Email Miguel Gimenez   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have received some more photos from the Beaulieu claw, but he took them in the worst angle I'm afraid. Could you get some conclusions from them?

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He has also sent me some images, where I see some wear:

Smeared letters:

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Strange wear in lens metal cylinder (what could have produced that?)

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Or this one which shows some stains (?) in front and lamp cover... Could it be humidity?

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Maybe you, that have seen more Beaulieu PJs, could you identify what it could be ? I mean, could it be faulty painting?

It seems in not-bad shape according to the life/use reported by seller, but I keep wondering if it is worth.

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Dominique De Bast
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I may say a bêtise but it seems from the picture that there are corrosion spots on the gate.

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Andrew Woodcock
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It's really difficult to tell most of your queries here Miguel from these photographs. The third one down suggests the claw is good just from a quick visual inspection. Obviously this doesn't mean it runs well nor does it mean it runs badly, you simply cannot tell until you see it in action on all different stocks. You really have to take someone's word on this until you come to try it out for yourself.

The paintwork again is difficult to assess here. In some photographs I've seen of this particular machine, it looks fine, on others it looks as though it has a residue powdery coat to it like when these have been stored in damp conditions.
You simply cannot tell without seeing it in the flesh. It might just be flash glare from the camera taking the photographs.

If the weather is nice where it is, see if he will take you a photo of it in his garden in nice bright sunlight so no flash will be needed to photograph it Miguel.

This type of hammered finish paintwork often doesn't do the machines looks any justice when photographed. They often look far better in the flesh.

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Phil Murat
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Hi Miguel,

J have sent you a P/M....

The cloudy stains are witnesses of wet storage conditions....... Difficult to remove.

Dominique is right, these are corrosion pits.....

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Andrew Woodcock
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Yep you're right guys! In a bid to home in on the claw itself I completely overlooked the corrosion on the gate!! [Confused] [Eek!]

What I will say is it kind of suggests that what the seller says about this machine not being used much is looking a very truthful statement here. It has probably been stored for very long periods in between useage.

Might be good in some respects though, but obviously have disadvantages in other respects.

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Phil Murat
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High Andrew,

I hope it s not dramatic too much, but a treatment is necessary as soon as possible.
The chrom plated sides seems to be good. Needs to be polished too...

There is a high probability this machine needs extra works .....

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Miguel Gimenez
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 - posted April 11, 2016 02:53 PM      Profile for Miguel Gimenez   Email Miguel Gimenez   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thank you for all your answers. I guess that the gate would need a replacement with a new piece then.

But this wet storaging could have affected to other internal parts maybe. And maybe more important ones ?

Phil, what do you mean with polishing? Do you mean removing the paintwork and redoing it from scratch or it's other thing... ?

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Phil Murat
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I mean polishing work for the Gate Skate..........

Yes, Wet Storage is not a good news for Electronic Components....

Wet storage has not too much bad effect on rubbers (Belts / Pinch roller...... However to be confirm)

Did you Get my Message in your Private (Profile Tab)?

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Miguel Gimenez
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Yes I got it. You have a PM Phil.

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Phil Murat
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Hi Miguel,

I have sent you Email adress in your "Profile" box........ Let us know

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Paul Browning
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The side panel is showing some kind of over cleaning, to the extent that it has started to remove the silk screen printing on the side. This has stood somewhere for sometime in moist surroundings for the gate to get this kind of rust spots on a machined surface, but more disturbing is that the lens would have also been in situ, so I would bet once you start using it again the lens would mist up and the fungus spores would appear somewhere on the lens front or back. The textured finish on this machine does not look to bad, but the aluminium oxidation can sit under the surface and once the heat starts to heat up the machine's frame, the bad bits start to show up and crumble off. They are great machines when right, but like anything not used for sometime you are opening up a Pandora's box. I think if you get it at sensible money there would be room for some parts to be bought, to get it running good again.

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Andrew Woodcock
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Terrific and very sensible analysis of this machines overall condition and worth there Paul. [Wink]

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Miguel Gimenez
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Paul, thanks a lot for your comments, they are very helpful.

The problem is that the seller asks for a high price, so I'm afraid that this makes me reluctant to invest on it. Not sure yet, but...

I guess that to make eventual repairs, if there are some that I can't do myself with guarantees, then I should send it to Sweden or Beaulieu (France) still repair them ?

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Andrew Woodcock
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Wittners and a specialist who used to work for Beaulieu are the two official options I know of Miguel.

If you're unsure or concerned about repair costs, I suggest you wait for another, more suitable example for your requirements,comes along Miguel.

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Miguel Gimenez
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I think it is a good advice. As Paul says is a Pandora's box. Maybe I fix some parts only to find a year or some months later that other part is also not working as it should (or even the paintwork), or even worse, to have some part not working correctly and not being aware due to my lack of/limited experience. Just thinking out loud. I'll see.

I have also another chance with another, but it is a modified one, so you can use 150W or 250W (non-HTI). Would you buy a modified one?

Personally, after receiving first information of it I was thinking that I don't need this extra light (maybe some day I'll regret this, but who knows), and, specially as I am not familiarized with them yet, and this would be my first Beaulieu, I feel I'd need a 'standard' one in order to learn/know by myself what these projectors do and don't, etc.

If I start with a modified one I always wondered if this or that behaviour or feature is normal or not, and the support and advice will become more difficult as it is a 'unique' projector.

So I'd still prefer a normal Stereo unit, in good shape, if I could find one.

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Andrew Woodcock
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I agree with your prognosis there Miguel regarding this machine and your view on first purchasing a very clean "as original" example.

Many have been "tinkered" with, some by expert hands, but often not it would appear!

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