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Osi Osgood
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posted May 24, 2018 11:45 AM

I haven't been associated with the most recent re-release of this on bluray, but I'm skocked that Deems taylor has been taken out of it, (just to put some other modern person in?)

The re-writing of history? That really is a shame.

Although I would certainly love to see the grain on these classic pieces of animation, I'm sure that Disney himself, if he had survived to this day, would no doubt say that he would love for each and every beautiful nuance and color and line of the cels, was reproduced completely in the finished work and in some regards, that has happened, (with, for instance, the bluray of "Snow White") ...

as a wanna be animator myself, (well, only one little pencil animated short ... still have all the original artwork), I can understand wanting it to be seen as great and pure as possible.

... but with the grain gone, in some ways, the history is gone. That element that places it within it's own time period.

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Oliver F. R. Feld
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posted May 25, 2018 04:31 PM

I re-recorded all available segments of FANTASIA from Derann and WDHM with a booming stereo sound from the DVD. BALD MOUNTAIN is more spectacular now...
I only can’t find a stereo recording used for CLAIRE LUNE: does someone of You know where I could get this version to enhance my Derann jewel?

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Bill Brandenstein
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posted May 25, 2018 06:30 PM

Oscar, I'd suspect that Clair de Lune was never re-recorded as were the other segments, since it was deleted from Fantasia early on and would then have been treated as standard-issue mono. So presumably a stereo version wouldn't exist.

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Terry Sills
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posted May 26, 2018 04:38 AM

I have the Walt Disney Sorcerers Apprentice on Super 8, still in the original box and with the plastic sleeve, but I also have a 9.5mm sound film titled The Wizards Apprentice T9307, not Disney's version and B/W, but the same theme.
Couldn't find it listed on the Pathescope catalogue 1955 first edition, so must be a later release.

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Panayotis A. Carayannis
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posted May 26, 2018 12:57 PM

This one is from 1930,made by William Cameron Menzies.

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Terry Sills
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posted May 26, 2018 02:00 PM

Yes that's correct and it apparently was the inspiration for the Disney release of 'The Sorcerers Apprentice' and 'The Wizards Apprentice ' was the first film and was released in 1930.

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William Olson
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posted May 28, 2018 10:34 PM

The music for Claire de Lune may be on a Disney vinyl LP issued during the 50s or 60s. Disney may have done this even though the segment wasn't used in Fantasia. The LP may have no reference to Fantasia. Some research is required. If such an LP exists, it may be hard to find. I'll do some research on my own. If I find any info, I'll let you know.

UPDATE!!!
The Fantasia Anthology DVD box set has Clair de Lune in its entirety on disc 3. A Fantasound restoration was done for this.

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Osi Osgood
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posted May 29, 2018 11:17 AM

That's cool to hear! I have that super 8 reel. I think it runs about 4 or 5 minutes. A very dream-like piece and thankfully, on low fade film stock. The source material wasn't pristine but hey, who's complaining? Not me! [Smile]

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Oliver F. R. Feld
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posted May 30, 2018 04:34 AM

William
Thank You very much!
I will look for it and keep You posted

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Bill Brandenstein
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posted May 30, 2018 07:43 PM

Oh derp! Double derp!

< red faced >

I have this.

So. Anyone who wants this, send me a PM with your email address and I'll send you a file of the stereo Clair de Lune soundtrack from this DVD. You'll just need to specify if you want it at the DVD sample rate (48KHz) or converted to CD sample rate (44.1Khz).

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Osi Osgood
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posted June 26, 2018 11:47 AM

I would have to say that I think that this was the best "box" for any of the WDHM original releases! Very nice!

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